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prlester
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 92
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: weekday nights out osaka vs. tokyo |
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I've been hired for a teaching job, but don't know if I should go back to kansai or to, for me new, kanto.
From what I remember in kansai (kobe), the weekdays are dead for clubs, bars etc.
How is tokyo. It's so huge, can one go out every night if they so fancy, without worrying if the night will be bust because no one is out.
It seems that since living in kobe, i lived for the weekends, it would be better to live in kanto, if there is a crowd is all week long. Also, if places to go are open, are they English friendly? |
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womblingfree
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 826
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: weekday nights out osaka vs. tokyo |
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prlester wrote: |
How is tokyo. It's so huge, can one go out every night if they so fancy, without worrying if the night will be bust because no one is out. |
Trains stop running early (midnight) so if you want to go out and don't live a cab ride away you're out all night.
Clubs seem to go till 4 or 5 and you wait a bit for the first train at 6.
If karaoke's your thing then you're spoilt for choice as they all seem to be 24 hour as are internet cafes. Izakaya's are typically open till around 3. |
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MrCAPiTUL
Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 232 Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Lester, Re: having a good time, I've heard good things about fukuoka. |
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kdynamic

Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 562 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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There is everything under the sun and moon in Tokyo. But if you want to party every weekend, be prepared to have an empty bank account!  |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Think about this.
Tokyo is the largest city in Japan, period.
If Tokyo's nightlife is disappointing on the weekends, then any other place in Japan, including Osaka, will be even worse. Tokyo is the equivalent of America's New York or the UK's London in terms of its internationalism, size, and things to do in comparison to other large cities in the same country.
Keeping that in mind, obviously you could go clubbing every night in both Osaka and Tokyo, although weekdays will naturally be a bit more "dead" than weekends. This is probably true in every city in the world because, well, people WORK on weekdays. Also, Osaka's primary entertainment/nightlife districts are confined to Shinsaibashi and Umeda. Any bars outside of those two places tend to be local bars/watering holes, which are almost completely devoid of foreigners. (That's where you should go if you wanna get better at Japanese quickly.)
Both cities are Engish-friendly, although Tokyo is more English-friendly than Osaka. People in Tokyo also speak standard Japanese, as opposed to the Kansai dialect often used in Osaka, so it may be easier to understand the Japanese you hear Tokyo-ites speak. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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kdynamic wrote: |
There is everything under the sun and moon in Tokyo. But if you want to party every weekend, be prepared to have an empty bank account!  |
And thats the way it should be, if you are living on what amounts to poor mans wages of about $10 an hour and you are partying it up like an overpaid expat on an expense account. One big night out could swallow up 5% of your monthly wages, or a day's salary. If you want to save at least one fifth of your salary (or about 50,000 yen at going rates) then that means going out maybe no more than half a dozen times, when you add in taxi fares, hotels, niteclub fees and cover charges. language teachers should learn to live within their limited means.
Because you are living in a foreign country you will want to go out and party on occasion but you wont be able to do it on a salary that puts you on what amounts to a little over the breadline. |
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prlester
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 92
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: |
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So nightlife during the weekdays is comparable for both cities? How does roppongi differ from shinshaibashi? |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: |
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prlester wrote: |
So nightlife during the weekdays is comparable for both cities? How does roppongi differ from shinshaibashi? |
Bars are the same whatever city you go to. Beer tastes the same and you are surrounded by lots of Japanese people and loud music in a bar. Many of the foreigner meat-market bars are in Shinsaibashi. I have only lived in Kansai and find most people to be very outgoing and friendly in Osaka.
Roppongi and Shinsaibashi are simply watering holes where you can find lots of bars, restaurants, clubs, and places to spend money.
The last trains leave the Namba area around 12.30 and the subways close down around that time too, so you better have enough for a taxi ride home or make alternative arrangements. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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prlester wrote: |
So nightlife during the weekdays is comparable for both cities? How does roppongi differ from shinshaibashi? |
Ps there was a case last year where an eikaiwa teacher was fired for supposedly having alcohol on his breath. he wasnt drunk but had been drinking to the small hours.
Be careful about getting tanked if you have to work the next day. Im nursing a hangover at the moment. |
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prlester
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 92
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for the heads up, but I don't drink. I would assume that the venues are similar. I was curious about the viability of going out without being the only guy in the club/bar/coffee shop because the nightlife is dead during the weekdays. I've never been to kanto, so I don't know if the weekdays are viable. and i've only been to osaka on the weekends.
Are weekdays the same between the cities?
sorry if I was not clear. |
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bornslippy1981
Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 271
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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prlester wrote: |
thanks for the heads up, but I don't drink. I would assume that the venues are similar. I was curious about the viability of going out without being the only guy in the club/bar/coffee shop because the nightlife is dead during the weekdays. I've never been to kanto, so I don't know if the weekdays are viable. and i've only been to osaka on the weekends.
Are weekdays the same between the cities?
sorry if I was not clear. |
The last time I was in Osaka was on a Monday night in April. My friend and I tried a bar in Shinsaibashi, but it was closed. We ended up drinking in an English bar, then heading back to Umeda to an Irish pub, which closed early because they only had two patrons. We ended up finding a place around Umeda and stayed there until 6 AM. There were some other patrons in this place, but they were Japanese.
My friend who lives in Umeda said aside from Monday, there is always something going on in Osaka.
Regarding Tokyo, I prefer going out during the week. Weekends are too crowded, and if you go to Roppongi, it's a lot of young, immature kids and US military.
On weeknights, you won't be the only guy in the venue. Although, as is the case for me, I'm sometimes the only foreigner because I go to small dance clubs with J-friends.
Finally, there's always something to do in Tokyo, so you'll never be at a loss for venues. |
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tokyo story
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 40
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: |
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I go out most nights in Tokyo.
It's never dead and I agree that it's better than Sat and Sun trying to wade through Shibuya station or Shinjuku. |
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Mark
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 500 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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It really depends on what you're looking for from the nightlife. Tokyo has surprisingly little nightlife for a city of its size. Most people generally go to shot bars/izakayas/karaoke. If that's your thing, have a blast, but I think that stuff is basically the same anywhere in Japan.
The club scene is pretty limited, but it's bigger than in Osaka. Most areas are not super busy during the week.
One difference you'll probably notice is that in Tokyo the odds are that no one will talk to you. But, if you impose yourself on people, they'll generally humour you (especially if they're drunk).
You can go out every night in Tokyo if you want, but seriously prepare to have no money. Things are not cheap here and you're unlikely to live close to a major party centre.
Here's a typical night out of dinner and drinks followed by a club and then either a cab home or killing time at karaoke till the trains start:
Dinner and drinks: 3 to 5,000 yen
Club entrance: 0 to 2,000 yen
5 beers at club: 3,500 yen
Cab home: 2,500 yen
Karaoke: 1,500 yen
Those are just rough figures. If I start with dinner and expect to miss the train, then I basically figure on a 10,000 yen night.
But if you don't drink, scrimp on dinner and catch the train home, then you can easily have a night out for 2 or 3,000 yen. |
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