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PAULH
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Not only that the CELTA course is recognised all over the world, in Japan it takes 120 hours full time and requires you complete a supervised practicum. CELTA is taught by qualified instructors whereas you may get some basic instruction from a manager or company trainer who may or may not know squat about teaching ELT pedagogy and teaching techniques outside AEON.
The AEON training is not recognised anywhere outside AEON and is simply an orientation into working at one particular company. |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| Firstly, learn to spell similar |
Saucer of milk, table 5!
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| womblingfree wrote: |
| Saucer of milk, table 5! |
What are you talking about? Are you turning into Sweets*e?  |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| You're really showing your ignorance and your youth. Firstly, learn to spell similar....or didn't they teach you that in your Master's course? Secondly, they teach you the fundamentals that can be applied in the classroom. The course provides an excellent foundation. |
Unfortunately I didn't study for the college spelling bee this year. On the plus side I can spell 'antidisestablishmentarianism' using the phonetic alphabet.
It's an introduction rather than a foundation and is seriously inadequate when compared to the standards required in any other branch of teaching.
| PAULH wrote: |
the CELTA course is recognised all over the world, in Japan it takes 120 hours full time and requires you complete a supervised practicum. CELTA is taught by qualified instructors whereas you may get some basic instruction from a manager or company trainer who may or may not know squat about teaching ELT pedagogy and teaching techniques outside AEON.
The AEON training is not recognised anywhere outside AEON and is simply an orientation into working at one particular company. |
I'm not saying a CELTA is not harder or more beneficial than AEON training just that neither is adequate to become a teacher. Even the DELTA falls short somewhat.
As for the quality of the course and the assessors this varies enormously from place to place. I've never heard of a job in Japan that requires a CELTA, although I know that you can do them at extortionate rates there.
The CELTA/DELTA is a self-sustaining entity. Private schools require them and, by coincidence, those same schools tend to offer them at a price.
"Pay us $4000 to do our beginners course and we'll give you a job!"
After the CELTA you pay for the DELTA, then on to become a DELTA trainer. They are privately backed qualifications that fill a void in the market place in the absence of standardised academic qualifications.
Such a qualification was offerd a few years ago called the BIELT but it didn't work out. Thankfully the PGCE in ESOL has been reintroduced.
It is a pity that BIELT was scrapped and a shame there isn't something similar to ensure better regualtion and more equitable accreditation/acknowledgement of experience/training/education - or simply more acceptance of what occurs outside of the narrow confines of CELTA and DELTA. It seems it's more about the piece of paper than anything else. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| womblingfree wrote: |
| I'm not saying a CELTA is not harder or more beneficial than AEON training just that neither is adequate to become a teacher. |
| womblingfree wrote: |
| It's a four week introductory course similar to the weeks training you get at AEON. |
You are speaking from an elitist point of view about something you know nothing about. I know many people that have taken different Masters courses and a CELTA, and many said that they learned a hell of a lot about practical teaching from the course. They also felt that the obseved lessons really offered a lot and drastically improved their teaching skills.
It is a foundation in teaching English to non-native speakers. I think you are still stuck in Academia. |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| womblingfree wrote: |
| I'm not saying a CELTA is not harder or more beneficial than AEON training just that neither is adequate to become a teacher. |
| womblingfree wrote: |
| It's a four week introductory course similar to the weeks training you get at AEON. |
Similar in the sense that it is insufficient. Enough of this pedantry and rolly eyeballs 
| canuck wrote: |
| You are speaking from an elitist point of view about something you know nothing about. |
Most of the criticisms I mention are criticisms that are held by many DELTA trainers themselves. Anyone with a knowledge of teacher education can see the problems with the current system. Hoping for a recognised standard of teaching qualifications to bring ESOL/TEFL in line with the rest of the teaching world is hardly elitist.
Asking people to pay thousands of dollars to get a job most certainly is.
A CELTA is certainly worth doing in the absence of any other pre-service training and a DELTA will open certain doors and is a very thorough course of study. The idea that they are fully adequate or have a monopoly on teacher education is nonsense though. There are more universally beneficial courses which come at a fraction of the cost, although these are not pushed by the British Council/International House as CELTA/DELTA is a major source of their income.
The important thing before commiting serious time and money to any course is to make sure it will be recognised and beneficial for the context you plan to work in. For those wishing to go into university teaching in Japan then the MA is a must. For those looking to remain in the private sector then a DELTA may be the preferred option as it has that British Council/International House recognition. Important to note that their standards are ofen different from government teaching requirements though. |
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Like a Rolling Stone
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
They also felt that the obseved lessons really offered a lot and drastically improved their teaching skills.
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Did CELTA teach you to spell "observed"? Did you need drastic improvement.?   |
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isanity
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Like a Rolling Stone wrote: |
| canuck wrote: |
They also felt that the obseved lessons really offered a lot and drastically improved their teaching skills.
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Did CELTA teach you to spell "observed"? Did you need drastic improvement.? |
Good point. Any EFL certificate course should certainly include typing lessons. |
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