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englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

It seems that some of us sleep on our keyboards Laughing

Lobster · Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:05 am Post subject:

No matter who the employer is, once a good FT walks into a classroom and starts the lesson, the children will learn no matter what name is printed on the sign outside. I've seen some great teachers at crappy schools and some crappy teachers at great schools. If you want to discuss business ethics, corporate honesty, or depressing wages for FTs, that's fine. You could also discuss enforced curricula and poor resources as secondary arguments. However, saying that teaching quality is always affected by an employer is really grasping at straws.

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vikdk · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676

Sure enough KES looks like I should change all my opinions on an organisation that offers so much - after all if a demand exists then of course the market has a duty to satisfy it.
What insight into the wonders of modern Chinese education - I step back in wonder Laughing

By the way there is a strong social requirment for pre-school care institutions - but I don't think same applies to language mills, they could be most easily substituted with other more life fullfilling activities that aid the individual in their persuit of personal development. But then again this is a particularly academic argument, because as you have so rightly mentioned - this is China and people here think act in a whole different way. However that's no reason for likes of me to button up over the likes of McCrap - espescially if their product is built on a practice which does not have the best interests of FT or student in mind - but is more focused on economic gain and goals. This could be acceptable if it was just older students that were lured into this grinder - but the inclusion of small kids in their schemes certainly increases the repugnance factor for some of us Laughing

KES · Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 722

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

And this one is back

Malsol · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou

KES · Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 722

Englishgibson,

You're incoherent.

Just because you were fired from EF doesn't give you the only opinion on EF, does it?

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

KES, where have you been past few years?

"In/Coherent"? Laughing

You've provided "little" about "little" on the topic of McEF and more than that you've been flaming like an old trolling fart. Wink

Further more, you know "little" about me and my dismissal with McEF as well as you know "little" about other McEF dismissals that've occured in past 4 years in China.....you could read about it on forums Wink

But then having read those grave, unfortunate posts, it makes one wonder why such an old trolling fart like you would keep on coming back disregarding previous threads.....I smell a rat Wink

Cheers and beers to all of us even to the rats Very Happy

KES · Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 722

Why the name calling? Sad

If you can't even follow these forum rules, why would anyone suspect you could follow the rules at EF?

Is it any wonder you were fired? Embarassed

Look at your posts. Incoherent juvinile name calling.

Hey, just because you couldn't hack it at EF doesn't mean the end of the world. You don't have to go around all bitter. You'll just end up like Roger. Do you want that? Crying or Very sad

With a proper education, intensive training, some therapy, and a huge dose of emotional maturity, you could probably lead a normal, perhaps even useful life. Wink

Cheers and pink slips Razz

TEAM_PAPUA · Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 1679 Location: HOLE

Love it or hate it, EF is here to stay. I really don't understand why you all put so much effort into talking about the organisation - they don't know who you are, and even if they did they wouldn't give a shit about you.

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englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Yes, you are right in a way, although many read on and form their opinion about schools. Some of the jokes on here participate with their opinions without having a clue about the school/organization. With all due respect to the ones that have come here with their McEF experiences, I am sure the readers shall appreciate that, but the rest that's been misleading it all.... Shocked

Now, back to this joke below

OGFT · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 432

English Gibson wrote:

Malsol · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou

Gentlemen - please?

Let's stick to the issues and stop all the personal attacks. They discredit all of us FTs in China.

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

I have also worked at EF, although in a part time slot, and I found the EF to be no better or wore than most schools of any configuration, whether it be franchised, public or private. The one I worked for stuck to the guidelines of the franchise and treated it's workers with due process and respect. Many of the workers were not professionals but received training and guidelines that allowed them to go to other institutions with more experience and able to demand a higher paycheck.

I find that some of those speaking out against the EF chain are likely just duds with poor abilities or attitude problems that lead them to think that they are experts in this field and know better than most of the franchisers or parents..after all they are teachers....not. This "I know more than you because I worked there" will not fly as many have made a success out of a term or two contract with EF and in many places you find it hard to get on with EF..and I have met with the Shanghai recruiter and have been offered a job at EF but refused it because with a teaching certificate, I can demand more money.

In Dalian , I knew several EF teachers and tho not my kind of folks, they seem'd very dedicated and often used free time to plan classes and schedule meeting with students...dedicated bunch in all and it would be unfair to belittle a place that gave these untrained folks a chance to learn an EFL trade, cause that is all it is, A TRADE....if you want to hand out teacher like opinions, first you need to be train as a teacher.

vikdk · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676

if you want to get yourself a crap badly-made copy of a pre WWII BMW then get yourself a chinese made CJ 750

If your qualification is - white English speaker - and you want to be called a teacher - the get your self a crap imitation of a teaching job in a McCrap.

the views of certain posters here don't have much to do with the comparison of Chinese teaching organistions - or the poor monkeys traped in the McCrap cage trying to do a good job. No they're more to do with defining the educational crap that is found out here - you know profit orientated organisations that overcharge customers and undepay employees all in the name of the mighty god of profit who is well-known for his scorn of innovative pedagogical principle. you know the definition of McCrap and how these big companies set standards of crap which others try to copy - and that's the problem folks this this is the land of the crap copy - shizer you just have to look at your CJ 750"s and EF to realise that. But then again being a teacher we do have a chance to put a tiny wee spanner in the works - you know start to push the concepts of creativity and active learning - so why not scream out a little about McCraps - at least it gives a place for those who think discusing this problem is worthwhile - or is a passive acceptence of the market managed Chinese education status-quo - of course in relation to that burning issue, the more jobs for FT's the better - suppossed to be part of the "TRADE" out here Exclamation

darn all this post is missing is the chorus line - 1,2,3 - BUT WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE Laughing