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Roger



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no_exit wrote:
Chinese kids study geography pretty late, but you'll be surprised sometimes by what they do know. Ask them if they've taken geography yet, because once they do get to geography class, it is quite challenging, but it doesn't center on the Western world, it centers on Asian geography and the geography of China in particular (they can name all of the provinces, I'd wager, which is more than lots of kids back in the States could do with their own country's geography).

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I have never had students of this description of yours. Virtually all of them are extremely POOR at geography, international, Asian and their own one.

Naming provinces is not knowing provinces; you might say a postman who knows all the postal area codes is "knowledgeable about geography" - at least that would be no less a factoid as your claim ofr Chinese students' familiarity with geography.

For example, they don't know climatical differences, typical agricultural produce, or why Anhui is poorer than Jiangsu is. They don't understand why the eastern seaboard is home to propserous cities while the interior and the west are stagnating.

Apart from that, they have zero ideas about their country's neighbours, or the native peoples that live along China's borders.

Engaging them in discussions about such - seemingly sensitive! - topics is quite risky! And their interest in exploring and experiencing the more backward parts of Asia is nonexistent! They would not wish to immerse themselves in peasant culture - and to some extent one can sympathise with them, considering the excesses of the Cult Revg and of Pol Pot in Cambodia.

Even the geography of their own cities is often a map of terra incogniat; they would never walk 2 kms if they have a bus to ferry them along a busy city road; they would never walk in a parallel street for fear they would get lost.
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no_exit



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This group of kids that I taught did go to the best school in the province, and were fairly bright and motivated, so maybe they were better than the rest. I've seen the geography textbooks that the students use, and they DO include facts about China's climate, the topography, the major lakes and rivers -- the same things I learned about the US in 7th grade geography.

It isn't that these things aren't taught, it is more likely that Chinese students, like students in other parts of the world, have little interest in learning about the world outside their immediate scope of reference. Most of my classmates thought geography class was boring in middle school, and I bet Chinese kids feel the same way.

It must be because I live in a border region, but a lot of people around here know a bit about the neighboring countries in South East Asia, and are fairly familiar with China's Minority groups, especially the ones native to Yunnan. Again, people are interested in what concerns them directly.

Still, yesterday I had a ten year old tell me the exact land area of China, and a couple months ago a thirteen year old boy labeled the entire map of Asia for me without any outside help (!!). Geography geeks, young geniuses? Whatever the case may be, my students manage to surprise me with their knowlegde (and disappoint me with their lack thereof as well) all the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
no_exit wrote:
Chinese kids study geography pretty late, but you'll be surprised sometimes by what they do know. Ask them if they've taken geography yet, because once they do get to geography class, it is quite challenging, but it doesn't center on the Western world, it centers on Asian geography and the geography of China in particular (they can name all of the provinces, I'd wager, which is more than lots of kids back in the States could do with their own country's geography).

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I have never had students of this description of yours. Virtually all of them are extremely POOR at geography, international, Asian and their own one.



yeah, i had a bunch of students majoring in "International Trade". they studied geography like nobody's business, including major ports and trading centers. they memorized all that very well. i just don't think they really understood it. one of the students asked "does the USA have 4 seasons?"
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