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MrGarmonbozia
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: What are my chances or a Newb on the Road of Discovery? |
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Greetings and Salutations,
Before we begin let me provide a little background relevant to this post:
1) I do not have a degree but I have two honors diplomas. One is in film and television production and the other is in journalism.
2) I am a published writer, reporter, screenwriter and photographer.
3) I have tutored English to adults and have been a teacher's aid for students with Down Syndrome. In addition I have taught as a Teacher's aid for adults needing instruction on using computer and the Internet in conjunction to use in business. Finally, I have worked with children teaching them to read as a volunteer with local literacy programs.
So, with that said, and to nutshell things before this post transforms into War and Peace'esq proportions: I am basically seeking something new, the ability to pay off my student loan debt while traveling and, most importantly, the want to fulfill my desire to make some kind of difference, if even a minute one, in this crazy world.
With my above mentioned credentials (or, perhaps, lack there of) is there any hope to find secure work without a degree that will allot me enough finances to actually save money? Bear in mind I tend to live a rather Spartan existence. How much is not having a degree going to be a hindrance?
With minimal finances as is, dumping $1,000 plus into a TESOL course, especially if the bulk of it is taught with online desk work, does not seem like a lucrative venture to me. Seems more logical to spend such money on flights, etc.
Currently I have been eyeballing Japan, in particular the Peppy Kids Club, and China.
I am currently located in Canada and am 28 years old.
Any advice, commentary or direction from those seasons vets out there would be most welcome. What can I expect out there on the road of discovery?
Cheers,
Mr. G |
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tedkarma

Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 1598 Location: The World is my Oyster
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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A "very spartan" existance can lead to savings in China, Thailand, and Indonesia (sans degree). But spartan - can be pretty basic in the developing world . . .
I thought the Spartans were party people, no? Conquer, pillage, the spoils of war . . .? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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Being a 28-year-old Canadian without a degree, you have only one option in Japan -- the working holiday visa -- which is good for only 12 months max. After that, you will have to leave. Spartan existence or not, you might make a dent in your student loan debt, but without knowing how much it is, it's hard to say just how big a dent. |
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MrGarmonbozia
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 10
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
Being a 28-year-old Canadian without a degree, you have only one option in Japan -- the working holiday visa -- which is good for only 12 months max. After that, you will have to leave. Spartan existence or not, you might make a dent in your student loan debt, but without knowing how much it is, it's hard to say just how big a dent. |
$35,000.
Am I looking at a dent about the size of a ping pong ball? :p |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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My debts were a bit higher than that, and I was able to make the payments in Japan and still enjoy myself. I had a better-than-average job situation, though. Paid housing and other benefits. Even on a lower salary, I would have been able to pay the roughly $400 I owed every month. Life would have been a bit more spartan, though! Going out can be very expensive in Japan.
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MrGarmonbozia
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 10
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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denise wrote: |
My debts were a bit higher than that, and I was able to make the payments in Japan and still enjoy myself. I had a better-than-average job situation, though. Paid housing and other benefits. Even on a lower salary, I would have been able to pay the roughly $400 I owed every month. Life would have been a bit more spartan, though! Going out can be very expensive in Japan.
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Can one get good work in Japan, though, without a degree that would allot that kind of savings? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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CAN$35,000 is about 3.6 million yen at today's exchange rate. That's what a yearly salary is for a JET ALT, and they make more than most conversation school instructors.
Figure 3 million yen/year for typical conversation schools in Japan. Lose half of that for basic necessities. What you do with the rest is up to you, but it'll probably go for the following:
emergency medical (not covered under insurance)
sightseeing (you'll do that just because you are new here)
weekly entertainment (bar hopping, eating out, DVD rentals, etc.)
long distance calls (unless you subscribe to something like Skype)
EVERYTHING else.
If you try to pay off that whole debt in a year, it's impossible. If you want to pay off about 50,000 yen of that per month, I'd say it's very easy, and you don't have to live like a monk. That's almost CAN$500 per month, which means the "dent" you'd make in 12 months comes to $6000. You might make a bigger dent depending on a lot of circumstances.
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Can one get good work in Japan, though, without a degree that would allot that kind of savings? |
As I mentioned, NOBODY makes that kind of money teaching EFL. What sort of goal did you have in mind to pay off that debt? FWIW, my Canadian friend paid off his college debt in about 5 years and still had money to take home and return to college for a second degree. He really scrimped on some things, but he still had a girlfriend here to spend money on.
On a working holiday visa, especially with no degree, you are going to face the lowest entry level jobs there are. With luck, you could piece together a string of PT work, but you'll be running all the time. Some guys will tell you that it's a cinch to make 400,000 or 600,000 yen/month (roughly twice what a conversation school teacher makes), but they almost always end up working 6-7 days a week, and they usually hustle hustle hustle to find those PT jobs (and many people don't want them because they think they pay too little and/or they need visa sponsorship, which you don't on a WHV). |
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MrGarmonbozia
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Posts: 10
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
CAN$35,000 is about 3.6 million yen at today's exchange rate. That's what a yearly salary is for a JET ALT, and they make more than most conversation school instructors.
Figure 3 million yen/year for typical conversation schools in Japan. Lose half of that for basic necessities. What you do with the rest is up to you, but it'll probably go for the following:
emergency medical (not covered under insurance)
sightseeing (you'll do that just because you are new here)
weekly entertainment (bar hopping, eating out, DVD rentals, etc.)
long distance calls (unless you subscribe to something like Skype)
EVERYTHING else.
If you try to pay off that whole debt in a year, it's impossible. If you want to pay off about 50,000 yen of that per month, I'd say it's very easy, and you don't have to live like a monk. That's almost CAN$500 per month, which means the "dent" you'd make in 12 months comes to $6000. You might make a bigger dent depending on a lot of circumstances.
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Can one get good work in Japan, though, without a degree that would allot that kind of savings? |
As I mentioned, NOBODY makes that kind of money teaching EFL. What sort of goal did you have in mind to pay off that debt? FWIW, my Canadian friend paid off his college debt in about 5 years and still had money to take home and return to college for a second degree. He really scrimped on some things, but he still had a girlfriend here to spend money on.
On a working holiday visa, especially with no degree, you are going to face the lowest entry level jobs there are. With luck, you could piece together a string of PT work, but you'll be running all the time. Some guys will tell you that it's a cinch to make 400,000 or 600,000 yen/month (roughly twice what a conversation school teacher makes), but they almost always end up working 6-7 days a week, and they usually hustle hustle hustle to find those PT jobs (and many people don't want them because they think they pay too little and/or they need visa sponsorship, which you don't on a WHV). |
Well, I am quite realistic in my options after doing some initial research. I certainly did not expect riches showered upon me from the great Asian heavens. :p However, I wanted to at least be able to pay off ONE loan after a year of work. I have three, two being $6,000. So, with your above calculations, I could potentially save that amount per year which is certainly much more then I am managing to put away now.
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