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What are we seeking when we date the Japanese?
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I am a man, have lived or am living in Japan, have dated at least one Japanese person, and have been open to the possibility of a serious relationship with the majority of these people.
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I am a man, have lived or am living in Japan, have dated at least one Japanese person, and have not been open to the possibility of a serious relationship with the majority of these people.
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I am a man, intend to move to Japan, and am interested in possibly having a serious relationship with a Japanese person.
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I am a man, intend to move to Japan, and am not interested in having a serious relationship with a Japanese person.
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I am a woman, have lived or am living in Japan, have dated at least one Japanese person, and have been open to the possibility of a serious relationship with the majority of these people.
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I am a woman, have lived or am living in Japan, have dated at least one Japanese person, and have not been open to the possibility of a serious relationship with the majority of these people.
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I am a woman, intend to move to Japan, and am interested in possibly having a serious relationship with a Japanese person.
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I am a woman, intend to move to Japan, and am not interested in having a serious relationship with a Japanese person.
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kdynamic wrote:
But it's a fact that foriegn guys end up with older women and oddball women and less than attractive women by Japanese standards.

A "fact" according to your observations only.


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tokyo story



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kdynamic wrote:
This discussion was in reference to why foriegn guys tend to date women that Japanese guys wouldnt find desirable.


Well, considering that a Japanese guy told me his most desirable women were 15 year-old Russian gymnists who look like little angels, I wouldn't take Japanese men's opinions as a barometer of what I should find attractive about a Japanese woman.

Most Japanese guys like young women. I prefer Japanese women my age (27) or older. I doubt I would date a younger girl. My girlfriend is eight years older than me. She's never been married. I met her in New Zealand when she was on a working holiday -- a pretty common story. Is she undesirable? Not to me and not to others. She's the most charming person I've ever met.

The disturbing thing about these threads is how judgemental foreigners are to other foreigners in this country. (Just a general comment). I realise there's not that many of us, but people complain about Japanese staring at them on the train -- what about foreigners staring at my girlfriend deciding whether she's good looking or not?

If a guy has a girl and he's happy, who cares what you think of the girl? I've heard Japanese people say before that Japanese girls with foreign guys is usually a last ditch effort at marriage, but those comments are often born from suspicion and jealousy.
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kdynamic



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tokyo story wrote:
I wouldn't take Japanese men's opinions as a barometer of what I should find attractive about a Japanese woman.


Good point! I think everyone should date who they find attractive. Love is love is love, right? Follow your bliss. If other people think your girlfriend is too old for you or whatever, who cares?

Still, it's interesting that the white guy / older Japanese woman thing is so prevelant.
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tokyo story



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, having an "older" Japanese girlfriend for four years and being friends with Japanese women in their thirties, they tend to be more open minded. They're naturally more mature than younger girls -- whether it's from disappointments in love or other such life experiences -- they've traveled and lived abroad and generally speak better English (which can't be discounted.) They all worry about their age, however. I don't know why they'd want to be young again, never knowing what they want... If they could know what they know now and have the looks of a 21 year-old I guess they'd be happy.

Many of them have been burnt by Japanese guys. Some of them are divorced. Others are tired of their Japanese partners' attitudes. A few buy into the myth that Western guys are kinder or more considerate. Japanese people are fed a lot of stereotypes. Even when they should know better, they often seek clarification.

There's a host of reasons why Japanese date foreigners -- sometimes it's natural, sometimes it's curiosity (like Japanese girls who are fascinated by differences -- chest hair, etc.) Still, a lasting relationship is a lasting relationship. I know a Japanese woman in her thirties married to an Australian guy in his twenties... I hope it works out.
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kdynamic wrote:
Still, it's interesting that the white guy / older Japanese woman thing is so prevelant.

Again, only to your observations. My own observations are the exact opposite.


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ndorfn



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

havent read any of this thread, but for me it was the chance to learn japanese, have sex, and get involved in the country I lived in.
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markrendl



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Japanese GF and I will most likely stay here in Japan after we eventually marry as I'm happy enough living and working here, her career is tied here and she'll be happier living closer to her aging parents. She's not adverse to living in the US though. Perhaps once her parents are dead and gone and we're ready to retire, we'll review that option.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly don't understand why any non-Japanese person male or female would remotely consider having a serious relationship (specifically, leading to having children) with a Japanese person considering a) the divorce rate and b) Japan's approval of kidnapping/barring access to the foreign parent in the case of divorce (and sometimes even without a divoce Shocked ). I really, seriously, do not understand. That is the one and reason why if I were single I would absolutely never get serious with anyone Japanese.
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tokyo story



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So don't have a relationship with a Japanese... but it's stupid to think that everyone's Japanese wife/girlfriend are potential child kidnappers or divorces waiting to happen... Japanese women are individuals you know.
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Mamasita516



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP: you should've also included the options
I am a woman/man, have lived or am living in Japan, have not dated at least one Japanese person, but am/am not open to the possibility of a serious relationship with the majority of these people.

I just got here two weeks ago and have not dated anyone yet, but I would if I had the opportunity. Just for companionship and the cultural exchange it would offer me and hopefully to the other person.
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Seeker of truth



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Cultural dating Reply with quote

I agree. It's a great cultural exchange. I had language lessons at my company during the week, and then dated Japanese women on the weekend who didn't speak English. After several months of this, my Japanese definately improved.

The problem was falling in love with one of the women. After several months of dating, the subject of marriage came up. However, she didn't want to leave Japan, and I didn't want to commit the rest of my life to living there. So, we decided to split, peacefully.
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

24601 wrote:
I honestly don't understand why any non-Japanese person male or female would remotely consider having a serious relationship (specifically, leading to having children) with a Japanese person considering a) the divorce rate

The US, UK, and Korea all have higher divorce rates than Japan. Are you saying you would never consider having a serious relationship with any of them either?

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and b) Japan's approval of kidnapping/barring access to the foreign parent in the case of divorce (and sometimes even without a divoce Shocked ).

So if one were not going to have children (and had already taken care of that to make sure they didn't) then serious relationships are okay (notwithstanding your divorce "argument")?


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Deicide



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject: The question is... Reply with quote

are relationships with Japanese women as transient as Western relationships...do you invest a couple of years, break up, spend years recovering from the pain only to start the circus act again...the only constant in life is change, no where does apply more than in relationships...are Japanese relationships any different?
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TEAM_PAPUA



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:08 am    Post subject: * Reply with quote

I like the sailor suits Cool
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