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[Malsol]

[KES]

Can you show that section in the Employee manual?

A simple link will do.

Not saying your wrong, just want to see it myself.

I'm sure many would be interested.

It'l only take you a second.

Thanks in advance.

[adamsmith]

I was just wondering if many of these teachers who complain about working for a language school, that is part of a network of schools, have actually worked for one of said schools.

I personally have never worked for one in China but have in South Korea. I cannot comment on what is being said in China about these schools, but from my own experience in what is a similiar market (with the exception of the salary of course) is that the opposite of what the OP said holds true.
While work conditions may not always be what you want or expect, especially when you compare them to what many people like to boast of when they talk about their university jobs in comparison to the poor guys working for the chain (working on the chain gang), but for many this is the type of job that they like. It is purely a matter of personal preference of individuals. And it does not matter what career you are in. In every field of work their are different specialities and this is very noticable in the ESL field. So before you persist in cutting down the chains, step back and look at what your own personal preferences are and think - boy somebody may think I am working in a Mc.. job.

[vikdk]

I think many of these schools are looking for maliable, compliant white skin, which isn't overinterested in the whys and whats of teaching - but which will just do the job of being the white classroom monkey - of course with qualification and pedagogical knowledge being something of a burden rather than advantage. - after all profit, and not the creation of interesting enjoyable learning environments, is where most of the investment is of focused on in these kinds of outfits.
In this forum I've read such repulsive thoughts on education as -

[KES]

[vikdk]

[KES]

Nope. Not my definition.

You might want to reread my posts.

Anyway, we're off topic here.

The thread is about how to get fired at EF.

Now, since Englishgibson was a former DOS at EF, I'm waiting for him to weigh in and tell us how many folks he fired for each of the OP's firing offenses listed. I mean, just how many folks did EG fire for being a professional teacher?

It ought be an interesting read.

[vikdk]

ohhh - off topic - must have been a mathematically calculating brain that figured that one out

Actually I think the views of posters on what education is and isn't - and what we are prepaired to do in name of education/travel/earning a wage - is rather on topic when we discuss what certain employers want us to do and why we get fired

Or is this thread just being used by some posters to skip the subject of education - so they can pounce on other posts and come back to their prefered areas of expertice and certainty - you know personal attack by focusing on spellin, gramar and writin stile - three points that seen to have much more impact and appeal than poor ol' pedagogy

shizer - looking back at my old posts in daves - that last bit was certainly the pot calling the kettle black :

[Malsol]

[adamsmith]

[quote]what about the students on the receiving end of this type of schooling - especially those small kids forced to attend by parents duped into paying fees at the promise of schooling by western experts - what about their preferences - what about speeking up for them - or maybe this business is just about jobs for the boys [/quote]

I am not saying that it is the right thing for these chains to do what you are saying but.... When you went to further education you had a choice as to what school you could apply to and attend. These parents of these children also have a choice as to what school they will attend. these parents need to take some of their own responsibility as to how they decide which school they will send their children to. Not all of these chains target children - The particular chain I worked for did not even accept children as students.

On the other hand, while I have never worked in a chain in China, I have taught at private schools and could not believe the load of BS that the parents were being told and sold. It does not matter whether it is a chain or a school, college, institute, or even a university here. I have seen many different lines being sold to parents and students who accept it a face value and pay the exhorbitant fees that the schools charge for little or poor quality education. Often this is the result of the students not being up to par to get into the better schools - I ask you - is this the fault of the FTs or is it possible that this could be an inherent fault of the overall system and/or problems with parents being a little to gullible. Often these chain schools are schools that are designed to help boost up the students ability to perhaps get into one of the better schools - whether the students makes use of this opportunity is not up to the teacher. Some teachers are better at influencing the students through diffrerent means that you cannot use in a university or public school setting but are still effective in gaining a students interest in learning the subject. Other teachers take on a very different approach focusing more on applied study etc.. these different methodologies work well in different settings and what makes you a teacher can often depend on that setting. What it all boils down to is do the students learn anything.

[adamsmith]

I also think that this particular thread would be more apt in the off-topic board as it is more designed to elicit discussion versus being related to a particular job and just another post designed to blast the chains from an individual who, based on other posts has only worked at universities/colleges.

[vikdk]

[vikdk]

malsol - a core concept that's discussed within the realms of both teaching and learning is something called reflection

[englishgibson]

And here we go again

[KES]