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Teaching English Abroad as a non-native speaker.

 
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ruudkez



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Teaching English Abroad as a non-native speaker. Reply with quote

Hi there!

I am fully qualified as an EFL teacher in my own country (Netherlands, BA) and I would like to teach abroad for a couple of years. However most of the schools seem to hire native speakers only. Is there anyone here who can help me? Maybe give me some pointers or additional information. I would prefer teaching in southern Europe (Spain, Italy, Greece) and I have some experience in the field of ESL. Please contact me if you can help me.

Thanks a million!

Ruudvanhooijdonk
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you have an EU visa you just have to find an employer willing to hire you but why would they want to hire a non-native speaker from the Netherlands. They can find someone fluent from their own country.

From what I have heard, China offers the most opportunities to teach EFL for non-native speakers.
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: China accepts non-native speakers as EFL teachers Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
From what I have heard, China offers the most opportunities to teach EFL for non-native speakers.


Indeed. Two of my former colleagues are a Frenchwoman and a Romanian woman who came to teach at the school I was teaching at in Wuhan (east-central China). The Frenchwoman came to teach full-time for a year while the Romanian came to teach kids' classes part-time during the weekends.

Mind you, I should say that the Frenchwoman had a distinct advantage when it came to "native speaker accents". She had lived in Edinburgh, the capital of Scotland, for 6 years and so not only had fluent English when she came to China, but also an authentic Edinburgh accent!

The Chinese kids found it difficult at first to understand her adopted accent, but they were fine once she started speaking more slowly.
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ruudkez



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As part of a traineeship I spent 4 months living and doing ESL work at a school in Glasgow. However that period is not quite long enough to acquire an accent. My main problem is I lack an accent. I don't have an overly Dutch accent nor do I have a British accent. At my school I was trained in RP. 1 advantage I could think of when it comes to teaching. as a non-native is that I had to acquire the language myself so I am familiar with the whole process. Furthermore I think my fluency is sufficient, especially when it comes to teaching lower level classes.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Furthermore I think my fluency is sufficient, especially when it comes to teaching lower level classes.




I was not questioning your fluency, I was wondering why you think someone would hire you. In Greece, they can find Greeks to teach low level courses. One exception is China, which is due to the fact that many Chinese teachers cannot even put together a sentence in English. It is way better to have a European non-native English speaker than a Chinese teacher.

It is simple, there is not much of a market for non-native English speakers to go teach English in another country. Most countries have their own citizens to do that. I have a Master's in German. Would I be able to get a visa to teach German in the Netherlands?
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ruudkez



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not eager to accept my faith. Although you are probably right. I still think I have enough to offer. The Greek being Greek and all will never aquire a a nice accent. And I think I am a better teacher than most native speakers whitout a degree. So I still have some hope. Thank you for your time and information.

Many Thanks,

Ruud
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sheeba



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My University in China wouldn't accept you . My girlfriend found it pretty difficult to get work in China as a non native speaker . Perhaps that was just where we were as others seem to think you'll be ok . I don't really think being Dutch matters myself . You've been through the learning process as you say and as long as you are interested in the whole learning process and how it affects your students then I'd say you'll be as effective if not more effective than many native teachers I've met .
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Greek being Greek and all will never aquire a a nice accent.



You really need to get some education. You think you can be an ESL teacher but then you expound that a Greek cannot acquire a nice accent. A good accent has a lot to do with someone�s ability to copy a language and not where they come from. There are definitely some Dutch with terrible accents. I accept that the average person in the Netherlands can probably speak better English than the average Greek but to think that a Greek cannot speak English as well as someone from the Netherlands shows a real lack of education.

I met a guy from Finland who actually believed that one can speak English anywhere in the world. I guess he has never been to China or anywhere in Korea outside of Seoul or Busan. As a German woman stated to me a month ago, "I can't believe that woman has a PhD in English. She cannot even fom a sentence."


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ruudkez



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you missed my point. I was not trying to be all cocky and claim that Dutch have better accents and Greeks are ignorant and will never reach such a high level of English. The point I was trying to make was. With the fact that people in an EFl environment will never aquire a nice accent (we have EFL too) meaning they learn English in school and go home to their parents and speak Greek, go to the supermarket and speak Greek, etc. Why should it matter if they are taught by a native speaker or a non-native speaker? Sure the accent is a plus, but the Greeks themselves will not acquire this accent unless they will live in an English environment for a couple of years at least. And I dare say being trained in EFL Education and having received it myself I know the rules of the English language. In our course ->' " I don't know it just is like this" or, "it sounds right to me", just doen't cut it. We've had to learn the rules for everything. Therefore I think I will be a better teacher than a native without a degree. Ok there is still the fact that Greeks have their own teacher to consider. Ok they have a big plus as well considering they all speak Greek. So there you have me. Maybe Native speakers and greeks are both better than me, I don't know I still have hope...
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