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milesdenman



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Alternatives to Saxon Court? Reply with quote

Hi. Have just finished a CELTA course in Poland, and am looking for work in Japan.
I would like to make the most of having a CELTA, thus i'm interested more in working for Saxon Court as they require CELTA, as opposed to NOVA/AEON/ECC etc. who don't.
The only thing putting me off is that they only appear to have schools in and around Tokyo, i would prefer to be in a more medium city- Fukuoka, Kobe or somewhere like that.
Does anybody have any suggestions? Maybe another language school that requires CELTA located in other cities.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated, thanks.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saxon Court require a CELTA in Japan? That's news to me. I thought Saxon Court were owned by the same guy that runs Shane, who's name is Shane by coincidence. Laughing
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Dipso



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen adverts for Shane in Nagoya, so there must be schools there too.

I worked for Shane in Kanto in the late nineties, btw. I don't know if things have changed since, but they had a policy where teachers "owed" the company 12 days. These twelve days would be made up when you were on "stand-by" on your day off - if someone rang in sick, you had to go and work their day. Yuck!

Mind you, now I am back in Japan and working for one of the Big Four, I am beginning to appreciate Shane's hands-off approach. I think I only went to one meeting the whole year I worked for them!
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Khyron



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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Location: Tokyo Metro City

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Alternatives to Saxon Court? Reply with quote

milesdenman wrote:
Hi. Have just finished a CELTA course in Poland, and am looking for work in Japan.
I would like to make the most of having a CELTA, thus i'm interested more in working for Saxon Court as they require CELTA, as opposed to NOVA/AEON/ECC etc. who don't.
The only thing putting me off is that they only appear to have schools in and around Tokyo, i would prefer to be in a more medium city- Fukuoka, Kobe or somewhere like that.
Does anybody have any suggestions? Maybe another language school that requires CELTA located in other cities.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated, thanks.
Saxoncourt is Shane English School in Japan. They don't require a CELTA here, but they will pay you *slightly* higher if you do have one. It would also make it easier for you get a management position if you stay with them for awhile.

It's true that most of their schools are in the Tokyo area, but I know for a fact that they have schools in Fukuoka and in other cities around Japan.
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dipso wrote:


I worked for Shane in Kanto in the late nineties, btw. I don't know if things have changed since, but they had a policy where teachers "owed" the company 12 days. These twelve days would be made up when you were on "stand-by" on your day off - if someone rang in sick, you had to go and work their day. Yuck!



That is a rather misleading way of putting it. The fact is, the contract says you will work 233 days in the year, for first year teachers. Of those 233 days, 220 will be your scheduled teaching classes and the remaining 13 will be training days, setsumeikai (open days), social events and covering sick teachers.

What IS a pain in the rear is the standby policy. You have to phone head office at 10:15 in the morning to see if you are needed on the day you are on cover. If you aren't, it does NOT count as a day worked, despite the fact that you can no longer do very much on your day off. It sucks, but I can't think of a more practical solution.

They used to require all teachers to have a CELTA, but after trouble finding enough qualified teachers, they take unqualified people now and put them through the Shane training course.

CELTA qualified teachers get an extra 10 000 yen a month.
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Dipso



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Location: England

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for Shane in 1998. Back then, all 12 days were stand-by or cover days. My day off was Tuesday; I was one of only three people in my district to have Tuesday off at the time. Whenever I was on stand-by, I had to go in. In fact, my very first day as a Shane teacher was a stand-by day, a 90 minute commute away. Talk about a baptism of fire!

Also, setsumeikai campaigns were unpaid unless you had any interviews - you still had to be in school several hours early though, even if you didn't. No doubt things have changed for the better. Smile
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Khyron



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sour Grape wrote:
What IS a pain in the rear is the standby policy. You have to phone head office at 10:15 in the morning to see if you are needed on the day you are on cover. If you aren't, it does NOT count as a day worked, despite the fact that you can no longer do very much on your day off. It sucks, but I can't think of a more practical solution.
It counts as one of your 233 days, but will not count toward any bonus or overtime, as you have not actually done any work (other than having to wake up before the crack of noon, use a phone, and keep that day free).
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To address the two posts above mine, when I worked at Shane (left four and half years ago, so times may well have changed):

Setsumeikai's counted as a day worked, so they were not unpaid as such. However, the only hours you got towards your teaching bonus were the actual minutes spent doing the demo lessons.

On the other hand, standby days when you were not needed did NOT count. It's great for teachers if that has been changed, as the previous post implies - that was the one complaint I thought that really was legitimate.
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