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Outsida
Joined: 01 Aug 2006
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Gee, "dude, " it's hard to say... Since you repeatedly advocate conducting business "the Chinese way," then I suggest you accept the lowest possible salary offered.
In fact, maybe you can offer your services for a bowl of noodles and a pack of cigarettes... but you could charge them a little money if you add some extra ruggedness to your voice... (Chinese are often impressed by our strength.)
Oh, and when the job is finished, be sure not to "whine" about it.  |
Thank you for completely misrepresenting what I said on ANOTHER THREAD. And thank you for your constructive reply. Perhaps when you have cultivated a single spark of intelligence, you could grace us with your ramblings again. However, I am not holding my breath.
(Where do these "people" come from? I honestly think Dr. Sbaitso would give me more intelligent answers) |
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cj750
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Remember Outsida, these tail twisters will misconstrue everything..just to get a little jab in..
As far as how much...
I made recording for a national book company, Changbai (something)Press, and charged them a lot because I contracted the work for a finished three part series.. I think when all was said and done..it came to 250 or 300 RMB per hour..but the company wanted to finish fast cause of studio time and I provided the female voice (not my voice..I could never get that high), I mean that I procured the talent..
Some schools will want you to do it for free and deem it part of your duties..don't by that one...
If is is a school and they just need a few hours..150 to 200 seems around right... |
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Outsida
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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First things first: I am not Malsol. So give it up.
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| Calling the Welsh couple whiners is not the same as calling you a whiner. |
Exactly. However, until Frank can develop some reading skills, we will always be arguing in circles because he can't see just what it was I was arguing in that thread.
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| Plus, I think it is in poor taste to carry over remarks from an entirely different thread for no other purpose than cause an argument. |
Trolls do this. Under any reasonable definition, Frank is a troll.
Frank, is being cynical a crime? Not the last time I checked. I'm deeply sorry if my cynicism was enough to drive you to outrage. I guess my mistake was stating my point clearly and expecting that others would not only respect my POV, but would clearly address my arguments if they disagreed. That was obviously too much to expect from you, Frank.
And Frank, at no time did I call you a drama queen. If somebody else did, that is no reason to hijack this thread. I did not attack you personally. I did not insult you. I countered your arguments politely. If you cannot even recognise this, let alone respond in kind, then you have no place here.
At no time did I say I was unconcerned about the two Welsh teachers... to reiterate (don't use the dictionary now), I pointed out that the facts as reported in THE ARTICLE would paint them as whiners, and I would maintain that in the absence of further information. I hope now, Frank, that you've gotten that through your thick skull.
Kerrilee and no exit - thank you very much for your advice and support. I appreciate it. |
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Outsida
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, too, CJ.
So, I guess I should start out at 250 an hour, because they wanted me to name a price and they said we could negotiate. I guess they'll get me down to 200, maybe. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Agree to do one...and then you can adjust from there (even if the first one is not the amount you want ..it can get your foot in the door.....besides if your really fast you will save them money on studio cost..if in a studio...and then your hourly wage becomes a point of savings for them...
I am convinced that you are your own person..besides it is not the person that counts but the online persona... |
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frank d
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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From outsida:
"Under any reasonable definition, Frank is a troll."
"I did not attack you personally. I did not insult you."
"...to reiterate (don't use the dictionary now),... I hope now, Frank, that you've gotten that through your thick skull."
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Whew!
OUTSIDA!
I'm so relieved to know that these sentiments (and several earlier ones) of yours are not attacks or insults! I feel so much better and more enlightened now!
I brought over your concept of doing business "The Chinese Way" from another thread, because in my mind, if is applicable in that situation, it is applicable here (whatever the hell "The Chinese Way" actually means!)
Since your chronic forum habit seems to be some sort of macho swagger about toughness and making nasty, ongoing swipes about my intelligence, you really have no business telling me where I bellong. Here or elsewhere. Just a tad hypocritical, don't ya think?
I am sincerely appalled that you and I share the same profession.
And if you were to read my history of posts you would discover that, unlike you, I don't engage in name-calling, but it seems it's what you understand best.
And you're so supremely intelligent, why then do you need input from others about your newfound career as a recording artist? |
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cj750
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: |
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"The Chinese Way" would be a thread of its own...but since the recording is for a white sounding native the "Chinese way" cannot be a valid consideration in this thread...and besides it is the Chinese way to increase your amount at the last moment...increase the money cause the situation is unique...not to reduce a wage to a famer's level..
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| I am sincerely appalled that you and I share the same profession |
frank'd ..you got to be kidding..a profession..you mean recording tapes for the population of English learners.. |
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Outsida
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm so relieved to know that these sentiments (and several earlier ones) of yours are not attacks or insults! I feel so much better and more enlightened now! |
You launched this whole episode. I was just responding in kind. No, I didn't insult you... until you insulted me. Bear in mind who decided to attack who - for no reason.
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| I brought over your concept of doing business "The Chinese Way" from another thread, because in my mind, if is applicable in that situation, it is applicable here (whatever the hell "The Chinese Way" actually means!) |
Hmmm, yes. I am asking for advice on an amount at which to begin negotiating. Negotiating is, of course, very much a Chinese way of doing business. I am terribly sorry if that's not clear to you. I can only explain things to you. I cannot make you understand them.
As for the other thread, you do understand that a good way to improve an unsatisfactory situation is not to go in guns blazing but to show some tact, finesse and patience. Choose your battles, fight for what's worth fighting for (which would not include things beyond the school's control - gee, that would be... BLACKOUTS!), and leave only if the situation is truly desperate. Blackouts do not strike me as terribly desperate situations. I'm sorry if I come across as a man for putting up with a few while you whimper in the foetal position!
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| Since your chronic forum habit seems to be some sort of macho swagger about toughness and making nasty, ongoing swipes about my intelligence, you really have no business telling me where I bellong. Here or elsewhere. Just a tad hypocritical, don't ya think? |
Not if I'm defending myself... that is, RESPONDING - to an unprovoked attack from you.
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I am sincerely appalled that you and I share the same profession.
And if you were to read my history of posts you would discover that, unlike you, I don't engage in name-calling, but it seems it's what you understand best. |
Your history insofar as it concerns me begins with your unprovoked attacks on me. Don't lie. You have begun a vicious and personal campaign against me for no reason. Again, do not tell lies and pretend you are innocent of any wrongdoing here.
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| And you're so supremely intelligent, why then do you need input from others about your newfound career as a recording artist? |
You need an "if" in that sentence. Ironic that you can't write an accurate sentence slandering another's intelligence, don't you think? |
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frank d
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You�re so right, outsida, how could a person as "thick skulled" as me possibly come to understand and appreciate the complex and cryptic nature of what is truly happening here. How could I possibly connect with such brilliant and erudite ideas being shared in this thread?
I suppose I�ll just have to settle for the surface drama of it all� I�m deeply intrigued by your dilemma and simply on the edge of my seat awaiting the final outcome� Will the gifted outsida get 200, 220, or 250RMB for his recording services?
Considering the captivating suspense of it all, I not sure how I�ll be able to sleep tonight. PLEASE keep me informed and updated of each and every development of this ongoing saga. Perhaps living vicariously through your amazing experience, I might be able to slowly elevate my intelligence and wisdom about living and working in the ancient land and mysterious ways of China. Thanks for allowing me, ignorant one that I am, to be a small part of the wondrous adventure� I am forever in your debt, outsida. |
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Outsida
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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No problem, my man. I am indeed so great, it's hard to be humble.
Glad I could help a brotha out.  |
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Mydnight
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Done this many times for all kinds of companies; 200 an hour is the minimum of what you should charge them. Depending on what kind of work it is, upwards to whatever you feel your time is worth is acceptable. I've took 500 an hour before doing advertisement. |
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Outsida
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| Cool. 200 an hour it is! |
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frank d
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| Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank God that's settled! The suspense was killing me... |
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Outsida
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| Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Deary me, Frank, I'd expect better from a man of your age than mudslinging. Don't make me get my mum to slap you.  |
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