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Japanese script - to learn or not to learn...
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Topo Gigo



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Japanese script - to learn or not to learn... Reply with quote

Does anyone have any advice on learning Japanese? Specifically, is it useful to learn to read Japanese characters?

I'm planning to go to Japan in a couple of months, and am going to try to learn as much Japanese as I can before I go, as I would like to communicate with people whilst I'm there. Do I also need to learn to read it, or can I get by without? Admittedly, I've put no effort into learning it so far, but it does seem very difficlut at first glance, and as I'm only planning on being there for a year, and the task of learning how to ask for a cup of tea seems quite immense to me at the moment, is it worth the effort?
Are most things (signs, menus etc) also written in roman characters, or will I be lost??
And, if it is important to learn, which one do i start with? Having had a quick shufty on Amazon, there seems to be 3 different types: kanji; hiragana and katakana. What's the difference, and do I need to know all three?

Cheers for any input!!
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Quibby84



Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good question.
I am anxious to hear the answer.
My husband and I are also planning on going to japan, he tried to learn the characters, oh my...it is hard. We have now decided to just learn conversational japanese...
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chirp



Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK - I'll bite.

Learn!

Also try using the search function - this topic has been covered a number of times and many useful resources have been posted.

Many people have successfully survived living in Japan without learning any Japanese. If you want to really experience the country and culture though, my personal feeling is that it cannot be done without being able to communicate atleast at a basic level in Japanese.

Some websites to practice katakana and hiragana:
http://www.gyford.com/japanese/
http://www.realkana.com/

Kanji takes years of study to learn and even then, you will have barely skimmed the surface. Katakana is used on most menus.

Start with the katakana then try hiragana. If you can learn to also recognize some of the more common kanji, more power to you!

Make sure you check out "Learning the Kata" etc. (mentioned on many other posts with links) if you feel that study method will benefit you.

Again, do a search and you will have a wealth of opinions about the value of learning some Japanese.

Happy studying!
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callmesim



Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Location: London, UK

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn hiragana and katakana!!!

As I've read many say before, this can be done in a week and you'll be all the better for it. I started with hiragana in about the first 2 months of being here and then (due to being lazy) didn't start with katakana until recently but got it under my belt in 2 nights.

You will be glad you learned it. Trust me! If you know it before you get here, more power to you.

As for kanji, that's more difficult. But I'd advise getting someone to help you with the basic food ones. With hiragana, katakana and the meat kanji, you'll be okay to get into many eateries and not have to freak out because they don't have plastic food displays.
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hiragana and katakana, definitely. If you are finding it tedious to learn the kana by rote, then start with katakana, recognising words that might be useful for you, to give you some motivation- examples could be the words for coffee, yoghurt (I know many people who have bought drinking yoghurt instead of milk soon after arriving here- the packaging is often similar), hamburger, vegetable, cheese- in menus and on cafe pricelists these and others are all usually written as phonetic katakana versions of the English.

There should be texts or phrasebooks around that will have lists of this kind of word.
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first glance, the answer to this question would seem obvious -- but unlike many other countries, where you can actually get away with not speaking or reading a word, Japan is not one of them. But I can understand that the OP wasn't sure if that might be the case.

Living in Japan will be VERY miserable for you unless you can at least read (and write) the alphabets, have some semblance of a vocabulary. Learning some kanji is VERY helpful too. A simple example: If you drive a vehicle here, for instance, they use kanji for the words "ENTER" and "EXIT" -- something that you really should have a handle on -- so you don't end up blocking traffic in a busy shopping center parking lot...

Although I've heard of people living here and not learning (and not wanting to learn) a single word, it will make your day-to-day life much more pleasant.
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red dog



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't think I'd ever be able to read a thing here, but I've picked up hiragana and katakana without too much difficulty; Kanji is much harder, but I'm at least starting to recognize a few basic characters. I'm still hopeless in Japanese, but the scripts are definitely worth learning.
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shuize



Joined: 04 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
Although I've heard of people living here and not learning (and not wanting to learn) a single word, it will make your day-to-day life much more pleasant.

I've met people who have lived here decades without learning even conversational Japanese much less the written word.

They are idiots.

As I've posted on previous occasions, I can understand how someone who's not sure if they're going to stay long term might not really want to put in the serious effort to obtain fluency. Up to about three years I'm willing to cut most people some slack. Past that, lack of basic conversational skill is just plain lazy.

As for hiragana and katakana, there's really no excuse not to have both down pat within the first month (although it can actually be done in a day or two) of arrival. Unless you're retarded, that is.
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red dog



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shuize wrote:


They are idiots.

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As for hiragana and katakana, there's really no excuse not to have both down pat within the first month (although it can actually be done in a day or two) of arrival. Unless you're retarded, that is.


Wow, that's really encouraging. I guess I'll go pick up my textbook now.
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