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[AKA]

If, after reading the following story, you wonder if the Chinese government should "teach its prostitutes how to behave", it sounds like they already know.
Anyway, it takes two to watusi.

29Sep03 THE Chinese Government has ordered Japan to teach its citizens how to behave following an "extremely odious" mass orgy between hundreds of Japanese tourists and Chinese prostitutes. Responding to mounting fury over the three-day orgy in a hotel in the southern city of Zhuhai on the anniversary of Japan's occupation of China, the Chinese foreign ministry said it had launched a formal investigation. The Chinese media and Internet chatrooms have been crackling with anger over reports of the September 16-18 sex marathon which reportedly involved 380 male Japanese tourists and 500 prostitutes at a five-star hotel. "This case is of an extremely odious nature," foreign ministry spokesman Kong Quan said in a statement late Sunday. "Foreign citizens in China must abide by Chinese laws," Kong said. "We hope the Japanese government will improve their citizens' education about this." The incident has ignited a wave of nationalistic and anti-Japanese sentiment, with many people convinced the orgy was timed to humiliate China on September 18, the anniversary of the start of Japan's occupation of northeast China in 1931. Newspapers quoted Chinese witnesses as saying the Japanese tourists admitted coming to Zhuhai purely for sex. They said the five-star Zhuhai International Convention Center Hotel was overrun with tourists openly groping and hugging prostitutes in elevators and other public places. Reports said doors between hotel rooms were left open and that up to three or four girls could be seen or heard servicing clients in each

[Roger]

I wonder if the natiionality of the males was of any overriding importance. Just imagining that 500 Chinese tourists seeking the same pleasures would have made no impact on the newsreels or headlines anywhere.
Maybe I am biased in favour of equal regard for males from anywhere in the world looking for the same thing anywhere in the world, that usually is provided by female workers.

[kimo]

anoooo! AKA-san, wasn't that you I saw in room 508? I didn't know you were a contortionist.

[chinasyndrome]

I'm surprised you could recognise him under that cheap black wig and baked on makeup he was wearing.

[Tong Dawei]

Even though it maybe just pure coincidence, the fact that the unrepentant Japanese "came" into China in such a horid display does pick at the scabs left behind. If it was Thais against Columbians (no historic antipathy) then "what the hey I Guess". But it was not! Roger is usually so detailed and eloquent when he chooses his battles employing admonitions for any naive soul... Are you, Roger, addressing these people who have family members that cringe in their sleep about such displays? For all of your worldliness, have you ever lived through a holocaust? Have you?

It's not even like the confederates hanging a flag in Manhattan and going crazy. It's not even the same magnitude as if the Skin heads did the same thing in down town Isreal somewhere. The Japanese got off scott free with their war time atrocities compared to the Germans. So what if it was all a coincidence. The mere fact that such a coincidence raises such an uproar in the hearts and minds of people who have been there and done that/had that done to them should speak for itself!

Come on everyone, get a grip?! This "seemingly innocuous" event as you portray it will wreck havoc between the two concerned parties. Hopefully it will just set the record books straight.

p.s. Here's a link to an example of Japan owning up for their past. Finally! Maybe it's happened before but this should be a good current reminder...

http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030929p2a00m0dm025000c.html

[shmooj]

For the thread...
I mentioned this to my students. Their reaction: they got defensive and said "The Chinese do the same." It seemed my mere showing them the news report had offended them, perhaps like some smug Japanese had offended me with news reports about English hooligans during the World Cup here recently.

For Tong
just to help me adjust the setting on my flamethrower, could you let me know how much experience of Japan you have...

[Tong Dawei]

Just take your best shot

[Roger]

well, Tong Danwei,
you have a big chip on your shoulders. holocaust in CHina? It happened in Europe, not here. You should know the meaning of this word before you use it - there are other sensitive people around, not just the Chinese!
Yes, the Japanese did horrible things, but not just in China... They did the same to whites living in SHanghai, Hong Kong, the Russians in Manchuria, and, of course, to the KOreans and the Filippinos.
But it is wrong to count the beans here. My surprise was that Japan's past is being abused by the current crop of CHinese mandarins to do their racist bashing of Japanese.
The shame thing is a shared problem here in East Asia - neither the Japanese nor the Koreans or the Chinese know what 'guilt' or "shame' means - and they can never apologise and repent. I am not saying you have to be a westerner to have this inner greatness to accept blame - but being Christian certainly helps.
Will the CHinese ever regret their crimes against Tibetans, uyghurs, Kazakhs, mongolians? I bet that not!
Because... same problem as with Japanese: "Face". Puerile mindset!