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Thoughts on Polish roommates?
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Kymro



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex Shulgin wrote:
freudling1000 wrote:
Yes you are. I live in the old town (65 Sq. m) - very nice flat - 800 PLN per month with bills. You just have to LOOK.

My first place (20 min bus ride to Center) was in a large house. I had full use of the house and a large bedroom. Very nice. 450 PLN per month. Best place I ever lived in Warsaw.

So no more BS about these broadsweeping statements like you are all Mr. and Mrs. Warsaw. I have lived all over this city and been to every club, pub and other places of entertainment. I know every crack of this city. If anybody wants help on finding a place, PM me. I have some good housing contacts. And the landlords are not Polish *beep*. One is English.


You are so full of sh*t it is quite amazing! You had a house for 450 PLN a month? Of course. Just like you have 65 metres in the old town for 800 per month. That size of apartment in that location is going to cost three times the amount or more. But if you really want me to point out that you are a liar here you go:


He never said he had a house for 450 zł a month.

Freudling may be a liar. Alternatively he may just be smarter than you are. Which, frankly, is not all really much of an achievement.

There are different prices in Poland.

There is (a) the advertised/naive foreigner price and (b) the real/Polish price. You may know (a), but I seriously doubt if you know (b). And that's just one of the reasons why you're an object of ridicule among long-term expats in Poland.
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Wild Bill



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back on track, I shared an apartment with a Pole my first year there. It was a blast, and we are still very close. His english got much better and my knowlege of Poland was greatly increased.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also hopefully back on track: it's really not the norm anywhere in Europe to get even a promise of a job interview from abroad. You're right - anyone who will hire you from long-distance may very likely be desperate for teachers for some reason that won't be to your benefit. To look for decent positions, you need to be here on the ground, CV in hand, looking and acting like a professional. But most newcomers can find acceptable employment fairly quickly.
Schools don't usually hire from abroad because people don't show up, or when they do, they have sometimes misrepresented themselves in some way. There is just not the shortage of teachers in Europe as there is in Asia, so good schools don't need to take the chance.

Also, be careful if you are coming on a financial shoestring. The reality is that (however much you pay!) landlords usually want one month's rent as a deposit and the first month's rent in advance. Language schools typically pay monthly, at the END of the month worked. You've really got to have enough 'thousands' to get by for two or three months at least. If you haven't - stay where you are and save up. Sorry to be negative, but I have been working with TEFL teachers for the past eight years and I have seen people get into pretty serious financial trouble with just a little bit of bad luck.
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This Alex Shulgin guy.

There is no way you can prove that I am a liar. But just the mention of that makes me raise an eyebrow at you. It is true, I never said I had a house for 450 PLN per month, I had a large room in a house with full use of the house for 450 PLN per month. How did I get a deal like that? It is in the burbs for one. Two, I got connected through a friend. None of this stuff is advertised.

My place in the old town is 800 PLN per month. You are right, they go for way more but mine does not. Sorry if that makes you angry or whatever else you feel from it. I am also not necessarily proud of my connections, since I drink and go out way too much. Basically, destroy myself. It doesn't take long to get to know people if you are constantly out, like 5 days/nights a week.

BUT, when I first got to Warsaw, I had to pay 1100 PLN for a downtown flat like everyone else. I also got scammed, etc.
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joshsweigart



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: lively banter Reply with quote

So the point of all the bickering seems to be that there are lots of places to live in Poland and that these places come at different prices...

I've lived with some Polish friends and they treated me as such. Of course it's risky to live with people you don't know. If you're coming from the States for your first time you should probably take what the school offers and then just start making some friends and see if they want to move in with you somewhere. It really isn't any different than if you want to live with someone in any country.
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on Sweig. Thanks for chiming in biatch. I do know you have some good experience out here in Poland, land of boobs and beer.

Take it easy stars and stripes.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kymro wrote:
He never said he had a house for 450 zł a month.

Freudling may be a liar. Alternatively he may just be smarter than you are. Which, frankly, is not all really much of an achievement.

There are different prices in Poland.

There is (a) the advertised/naive foreigner price and (b) the real/Polish price. You may know (a), but I seriously doubt if you know (b). And that's just one of the reasons why you're an object of ridicule among long-term expats in Poland.


Nice to see that you are still as charming as always Warren. Is there any chance that you will ever say anything positive about anybody? No? Too busy being bitter and twisted as always, aren't you. Especially at 11 o'clock in the morning, a time when you doubtless have a storming hangover. Your winning personality and boundless charm is no doubt why everybody who has ever met you shudders at the memory of that meeting.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="freudling1000"]Right on Sweig. Thanks for chiming in biatch./quote]

Wow, are you trying to be even more charming than Warren?
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent the last week with joshsweigart. We are friends and have really good "gaydowns." If you don't know what "gaydowns" are, just do a google.
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Grrrmachine



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex, whilst you and Warren obviously have your own reasons for talking to eachother like this, you are being particularly abrasive at the moment and I don't think it's helping the forum in any way. You are rather setting yourself up for a large amount of criticism for calling someone a liar (when you have no evidence, and could simply have said that his personal situation is not indicative of the "normal" Warsaw, or the Warsaw newbies find at first), as well as your rather viscious scorning of the language mistakes used on the board. You've given me some sound advice in the past; go back to that rather than venting spleen everywhere.

It must get incredibly lonely on that high horse sometimes.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grrrmachine wrote:
Alex, whilst you and Warren obviously have your own reasons for talking to eachother like this, you are being particularly abrasive at the moment and I don't think it's helping the forum in any way. You are rather setting yourself up for a large amount of criticism for calling someone a liar (when you have no evidence, and could simply have said that his personal situation is not indicative of the "normal" Warsaw, or the Warsaw newbies find at first), as well as your rather viscious scorning of the language mistakes used on the board.


It is extremely unlikely that anybody is going to get a 65 metre flat in the old town for 800 PLN. Very unlikely. Flats of that size in that area go for three times that much and upwards. Five times that much is not uncommon for that size in that location. The cost per square metre to buy in that area would be 9,000 PLN minimum. Who is going to rent a 585,000 PLN flat out for 800 PLN? Once a landlord has paid his administration charges for 65 metres he'd be left with about 300PLN per month. Who is going to rent a 585,000 PLN flat for 300 PLN per month? How likely is that to happen?

What is far more likely is that a school owner comes on this forum posting about how everything is so cheap and that people will be able to live a life of luxury on the 2,500 PLN he is paying in Warsaw.
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bennyr81



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont really know too much about prices in the old town but ive just got a flat (120m2) for 500 a month. its not in the centre but not too far away and is in a nice area.
Also, depending on connections why wouldnt those in the old town who have flats via the government not rent them out for low low prices if they are not using them...im not suggesting that is why the flat could be 800zl a month but that is about the cost the owners have to pay for them
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bennyr81 wrote:
Also, depending on connections why wouldnt those in the old town who have flats via the government not rent them out for low low prices if they are not using them...im not suggesting that is why the flat could be 800zl a month but that is about the cost the owners have to pay for them


Gee, let me think for a while, I can rent something out for 2500 a month or I can rent it out for 800 a month, which shall I do? Do I want to have 1700 PLN a month or do I want to have nothing? I'll need to think about that for a good long time.
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Kymro



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know someone who lives in a city centre flat, and pays nothing at all.

This is because (a) the czynsz happens to be extortionate and (b) the property is very run down.

The owner would rather allow someone to life there for free than pay bills for an empty flat no-one would want to rent.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kymro wrote:
I know someone who lives in a city centre flat, and pays nothing at all.

This is because (a) the czynsz happens to be extortionate and (b) the property is very run down.

The owner would rather allow someone to life there for free than pay bills for an empty flat no-one would want to rent.


Well that can not be the case here, the 65 metre flat in the old town is "very nice".

Are you feeling alright Warren? That last post you made didn't contain an attack on anybody. Next thing you know you'll be making posts which contain information which might actually benefit people!
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