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Baba Alex



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lovelace wrote:
You're right. In other places it just goes on behind closed doors. But the fact that in those countries it's shameful to beat your wife or children, and the police will take it seriously if you make a complaint, doesn't that protect people more?


Your making too many assumptions here. Only in certain sections of Turkish society do people turn a blind eye to such abuse. I couldn't imagien any of my friends tolerating it. Within in certain socail groups in Britian people still think it acceptable to beat children and women, as long as they can blame alcohol. The difference is that support networks are stronger in European countries and you can make police complaints. The police here are sub-human scum.
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lovelace



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the spitting and screaming at wife incident happened at Taksim Square and no-one said a word. All kinds of people just walked by. Do you think that would that happen in every country?
I'm genuinely asking the question here...
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Baba Alex



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lovelace wrote:
But the spitting and screaming at wife incident happened at Taksim Square and no-one said a word. All kinds of people just walked by. Do you think that would that happen in every country?
I'm genuinely asking the question here...


It's not impossable for it to happen in London. And on another day in Taksim Square someone would say a word.
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lovelace



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I'm depressed now... Sad
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't imagine many people on their way to the tube-station intervening in a domestic dust-up between a crusty couple who appeared to be rather worse for wear ....

Before even getting close, the battling couple would have joined forces against the kind citizen with a barrage of "What the f*** you looking at PAL" .. "****" ... "go-on av im .. the w****er" ... beer bottle crashes on kind citizen's temple ... brains sludge over pavement ... "Giss us a kisss bayb"
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justme



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's some truth to that. I remember my dad once stepping in to stop another dad whaling on his kid in public, and he just got popped for his efforts. Worse, my dad realized he probably made it even worse for the kid once they were gone...

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dmb



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"What the f*** you looking at PAL" .. "****" ... "go-on av im .. the w****er" ... beer bottle crashes on kind citizen's temple ... brains sludge over pavement ... "Giss us a kisss bayb"
A Glaswegian breakfast.
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bearing in mind there is also such a thing as a Glaswegian Kiss ... one wonders ... would it take much to repair the city walls?
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lovelace



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/index.php
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't find anything about containing the Glasgow crisis ...
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Delpha



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Hem...Hem Reply with quote

One of the first things I noticed about the Turks in my English class was that they sometimes hit each other. I mean, these are adults smacking a classmate on the back of the head (...for using the wrong verb) . It was especially true if the students knew each other well. It seems like the more friendly you are with someone the safer it is to give a wallop.

On that note I learned the Turkish saying (sorry using my American keybord so the spelling is wrong).

Hem severim hem doverim....

-D
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whynotme



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yaramaz wrote:
I. Whynotme is a Turk.


and has just come back from his 5th holiday Smile
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whynotme



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: Hem...Hem Reply with quote

Delpha wrote:


On that note I learned the Turkish saying (sorry using my American keybord so the spelling is wrong).

Hem severim hem doverim....

-D


it is an old saying and here 'dovmek' doesn't mean the same as 'to beat' . It means similar to get angry. 'Dovmek' is used instead of 'kızmak' or 'bagırmak' to make the word 'sevmek' stronger. One more example:

Kızını dovmeyen dizini dover.
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almuze



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so long as common turkish sayings are being explained,

could someone explain the thinking behind teachers telling their sts they will "throw them out the window" if they misbehave?

The window in particular seems to be a popular spot to throw cok yaramaz children out of.

If I said this to a student in the states I would be brought up on discipline charges. Here, (in my little world) it is almost a scripted response.

Does the "out the window" amplify "throw"? Smile maybe "seni atacam" means something else in this context?

My lovely turkish spouse, father of my children, tells me to stop being so sensitive, anybody (child or adult) should be able to figure out that of course they *wont* be thrown out the window, only an idiot would be scared by such a threat. (This threat gives my oldest stomach cramps, so I tell her not to listen to her teacher)

I seem to be rambleling. the excitment of making a post on Dave's has gone to my head.

I would say there is definately more "open" violence here than your average WASP american area, but this way at least everyone knows who to aviod. I told my kids if anyone shoves them at school they should shove back. "the ayak! oh no! the ayak!" Smile
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whynotme



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

almuze wrote:

Does the "out the window" amplify "throw"? Smile maybe "seni atacam" means something else in this context?


''ogrenciyi dersten atmak'' or '' ogrenciyi disari atmak'' means sending the student out of the class. so when you say seni camdan atarım, it is the exaggerated form of it. Smile
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