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Leon Purvis
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 420 Location: Nowhere Near Beijing
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject: How Does the FL Dept Decide Who Gets Which Class? |
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We got our class schedule last week and i was a little surprised by the class assignments.
I have an MA in English with an emphasis in writing, plus eight years teaching experience in the states with four years as an ESL teacher.
The Foreign Languages Department assigned a drunken former cabdriver/janitor/policeman with a high school education and an online TESOL certificate to teach history and advanced writing composition classes while I was assigned low-end remedial oral English classes populated by students who have histories of attendance problems. (I taught some of these kids in oral English classes last semester, so I know them).
WTF is this foreign Languages Department thinking? The majority of the other FT's students skipped his classes on a regular basis last semester. Even the class monitor quit showing up. I know this to be true because his students complained about him to me, and when I looked in on his classes, only 3-5 out of 40 students were in his room. He was issued an informal reprimand and actually had some of his courses reassigned to another teacher (me).
This is not a private school. This is a public college. He revealed his lack of credentials to me last semester during a drunken binge while he was fretting over the fact that he was in over his head. How he got the job is beyond me.
The class assignment is not a mistake. The FT liaison (who makes the class assignments) knows who we are. Can anyone shed any light on this situation and help me to understand how this could have happened? |
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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i'd just say it goes hand in hand with the lack of planning and the inability of chinese schools to (in general) maximize their potential resources. Your credentials may mean a lot to someone who understands what they mean and where they came from, they seemingly have little meaning to chinese employers of foreign ESL teachers.
recommend some changes to your school. i'd been given 8 classes this term, all english writing. never taught a writing class in my life. i asked the school to rearrange and now i have four writing classes and four oral english. |
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hairuo
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 473 Location: Somewhere in China
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe, your speaking is clearer than the other person. I got all Oral classes because I dont have much of an accent. |
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Songbird
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 630 Location: State of Chaos, Panic & Disorder...
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Seems to me you've actually answered your own question!
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The Foreign Languages Department assigned a drunken former cabdriver/janitor/policeman with a high school education and an online TESOL certificate to teach history and advanced writing composition classes while I was assigned low-end remedial oral English classes populated by students who have histories of attendance problems. (I taught some of these kids in oral English classes last semester, so I know them).
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Maybe this is EXACTLY why you got them! Perhaps they want to change things and whip this class into shape. Not sure why they're keeping the other teacher though.
I myself got writing classes this semester ((even though I was TOLD I would only get Oral, I ended up with just a couple of those classes!). I guess it was because I put it in my application that I taught it last year (thought it would look good on paper, didn't think they would actually GIVE it to me!!)....I'm dreading it after last year's experience.... |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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Have you actually ASKED them why they've done what they've done? Generally, most schools don't seem to have a clue on how to organize teachers into classes in which they are best suited. Couple that with lack of resources, lack of information (until the last minute), and lack of support from the school, then it's a wonder we can get anything done! I'm not saying that about my current school, however (except the last minute thing sometimes), but referring to other teaching experiences since I've been here. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: |
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I think most schools just figure FT John is as good as FT Joan to teach a particular course since we are native speakers and/or from the West, and we are all certified "experts". |
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latefordinner
Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:32 am Post subject: |
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TW and 7969 probably have it. To their eyes, our credentials and qualifications all look the same. Add to that the possibility that there is probably a semi-literate Chinese teacher with a combined degree in English and Food Service (specialising in bussing tables) who can't speak a word of English but thinks he can teach written English and there you have it. It doesn't matter if the FT can't teach a writing course to save his life, you have a real teacher who can. Actually he can't either, neither could his professor before him, but since his course is entirely in Chinese, no one will know the difference and everything will be fine. |
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Leon Purvis
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 420 Location: Nowhere Near Beijing
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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You know, the answers that I've gotten from everyone are exactly what I feared I would get. It reinforces my suspicions about my school.
Why haven't I asked my foreign languages department about the situation? Because I can never find anyone to talk to. The FT liaison has been quoted as expressing open contempt for the FTs, and whenever I DO find him and speak to him, he makes no effort to hide his feelings. I really believe that the schedule reflects his general negative attitude. He gave advanced classes to the drunk knowing that they are over his head, and he gave me the dregs because he knows my qualifications. That's his way of sticking it to us.
Though I want to believe that the FT liaison assigned my classes with the intention of my doing more good for those who need it most, I find it difficult to believe. This guy is thoroughly clueless about students' needs and even more clueless about teaching in general.
I am not here for ME. I am here for my students, so I must do the best with what I have been given. |
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China.Pete

Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 547
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: Social Engineering |
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"The FT liaison has been quoted as expressing open contempt for the FTs, and whenever I DO find him and speak to him, he makes no effort to hide his feelings." - Leon Purvis
It would seem to me that those responsible for teaching assignments have arranged things to conform with their prejudices in regards to FTs. Putting an incompetant in a demanding position will tend to reinforce the view that FTs are idiots in general. Putting a well-qualified FT in front of dullards will render him more or less harmless (sorry, Leon). Those responsible for this may be so poorly managed that they are allowed to practice their social engineering schemes without much interference.
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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China.Pete wrote: |
It would seem to me that those responsible for teaching assignments have arranged things to conform with their prejudices in regards to FTs. Putting an incompetant in a demanding position will tend to reinforce the view that FTs are idiots in general. |
Pete, I don't really agree with that. At my current university, the College of Foreign Language's assistant responsible for FTs' scheduling did her best to keep everybody happy. They had to take into consideration factors as FT('s) requesting a Monday or Friday off (I was one), classroom availability, FT availability during a particular time slot, outsourcing FT's from the department to the College of International Cooperation, students' schedule, etc. I am amazed that except for one FT (he'd been here a couple years and is a bit of a weirdo), I think most FT's had no problems with our schedule and course assignment. |
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China.Pete

Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 547
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject: General vs Specific |
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"At my current university, the College of Foreign Language's assistant responsible for FTs' scheduling did her best to keep everybody happy." - tw
At mine too. However, this is not really relevant to the situation outlined by the OP. My explanation was aimed at his particular situation, and possibly a few others I've run across over the years. |
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Outsida

Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 368 Location: Down here on the farm
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I had a class last semester where only 2-4 out of 45 students showed up. Maybe I'm a bad teacher? I don't know this colleague of yours, but to blame him for all of the non-attendance might be jumping the gun a bit.
My particular class were simply lazy, disinterested, spoilt brats.
Leon, I don't know how credible the complaining students were. The worst students will often complain in order to cover their own a rses. |
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MITCH

Joined: 18 Aug 2006 Posts: 58 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Outsida wrote:
I had a class last semester where only 2-4 out of 45 students showed up. Maybe I'm a bad teacher? I don't know this colleague of yours, but to blame him for all of the non-attendance might be jumping the gun a bit.
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Last semester working for a college, I noticed an older woman teacher who had the task of motivating students to follow the rules. She was a department watchdog/policewoman who would go off her rocker if students didn�t attend or were disrespectful to their teachers. Also each class having a monitor to keep attendances went some way to ensuring maximum attendance.
I told my students in the first lesson my rules. I said their grades will depend on Attendance - 33 %, Class Participation - 33%, Exams 33%, and 1% If I Like Them.
I failed only a handful, those that didn�t turn up more than 50% of the time. I had a very high percentage of students attending all classes.
Getting class attendance is not just whether you are a good teacher or not. If you leave young adults to their own devices, soon they will develop bad habits, and end up wanting to sleep in their dormitories.
I try to overcome low attendance by being really strict in the beginning, and laying down the law, and together with varied classroom activities, humor, keep them entertained. |
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Leon Purvis
Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 420 Location: Nowhere Near Beijing
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Social Engineering |
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[quote="China.Pete
It would seem to me that those responsible for teaching assignments have arranged things to conform with their prejudices in regards to FTs. Putting an incompetant in a demanding position will tend to reinforce the view that FTs are idiots in general. Putting a well-qualified FT in front of dullards will render him more or less harmless (sorry, Leon). Those responsible for this may be so poorly managed that they are allowed to practice their social engineering schemes without much interference.[/quote]
This has occurred to me as well. When I consider the last crop of FTs and the subjects that they were assigned, the content of their lessons (a month talking about the Easter Bunny?), and their apparent lack of general education (you mean there's a difference between the electricity coming out of the receptacle in my wall here in China and the stuff that comes out of the receptacle in my wall in the States?), I have to agree that there's some sort of engineering going on.
One of the FTs last spring told me that he spent a class period telling his students how to insult people. One would think that a report of this sort of behavior would make its way to the foreign languages department. |
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7969

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 5782 Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Outsida wrote: |
I had a class last semester where only 2-4 out of 45 students showed up. Maybe I'm a bad teacher? I don't know this colleague of yours, but to blame him for all of the non-attendance might be jumping the gun a bit.
My particular class were simply lazy, disinterested, spoilt brats.
Leon, I don't know how credible the complaining students were. The worst students will often complain in order to cover their own a rses. |
agreed. i had one class in zhengzhou last year that had 150 students. i dont remember the first time i saw them so i dont remember the class being that big. the entire term, only a handful showed up, 10-15 of the girls, sometimes less. then the exam came and all 150 showed up. really blew my mind how many of them didnt bother to come. there's a lot of lazy students out there but the same can be said for our countries as well. |
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