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no_exit
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| What are the duties of an EF English First Director of Studies everyone???[/b] |
taking their medication at the prescribed times (even after they've been sacked)  |
 vik, you even made me laugh with that one. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: English First--Director of Studies |
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So, who's worked as a Director of Studies for EF English First in China?
Who could provide some of their experiences on here?
What are the duties of one EF Director of Studies in China?
Checkmate, give the readers a bit of your experience and provide them with not only your phone numbers but also your "ef cm/dos standard email address" and your academic product/books you are using.
OP, where are you?
Peace to all
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cheers and beers to the hard working FTs in China 
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DaXiangLouis
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| I've worked as a DoS for EF, English Gibson. I worked in a franchise school and a corporate-owned school. I've also worked on the Death Star - sorry, at EFBC (I got carried away in the world of English Gibson for a moment there). Aything else? |
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hangzhouvice
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: |
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checkmate wrote:
I do a 12 hour day 7 days a week at the moment because I am new at this job I mean EF and need to do my job properly. I dont have to . But I choose to because I want my center to be the best.
I am not required to teach but if the need arises I do. My job is to manage the center. Thats why they pay me the big bucks haha. I wish.
what a sucker! I'm interested to find out just how much you're making an hour so! Probably more than the average toilet cleaner, but not by much |
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no_exit
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: |
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what a sucker! I'm interested to find out just how much you're making an hour so! Probably more than the average toilet cleaner, but not by much |
In general, the per hour wage is irrelevant to any job that has a set monthly salary. In theory, there are perks which make the contract more enticing. Especially in EFL, those working strictly hourly will always make more *per hour* than those on contract. For a 20 hour a week contract you'd have to make 8000 RMB a month in order for your hourly wage to equal just 100 RMB an hour. There are a *lot* of people out there working for much much less than 8000RMB a month for the same amount of hours (not just at EF, all over). Obviously they feel that the benefits of a contracted job (visa, airfare reimbursement, apartment, etc) outweigh the fact that the wage per hour is less than they could make going it on their own.
Anyhow, how is someone a sucker if they're doing a job they like and are satisfied with the wage? If someone is happy with what they're doing, then it doesn't really matter what you think, does it?
Why is it that everyone seems to come onto this board with their claws out, ready for battle? The perpetual p*ssing contest that goes on here gets really tiresome sometimes. |
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hangzhouvice
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: |
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ok no-exit...that's fair enough
but i think you misinterpret the definition of a sucker
my apologies for sounding rude....
but maybe this Kiwi's drive and determination and good work ethic might be better served in a different industry or organisation, like his own company, instead of giving his soul to some lousy profiteering EF school in Shenzhen...just my 2 cents |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| Anyhow, how is someone a sucker if they're doing a job they like and are satisfied with the wage? If someone is happy with what they're doing, then it doesn't really matter what you think, does it? |
well at least he is thinking - thinking about how these suckers undercut the market, thus making employers conclude that offering low wages to FT's is such an easy touch. Maybe if some FT's did actually think - and thereafter act with regard to improving general conditions of employment for FT's in China - then we wouldn't have to spend so much time having to discuss the kind of job rip-offs that are so common in this country. Why are so many people meekly falling into these traps - making life so much harder for all us others
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DaXiangLouis
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Hangzhouvice - the chain schools around which are of a good quality generally are so because of the efforts of dedicated DoSes - and teachers, of course - to make them so. They often even get genuine pleasure out of their jobs. And such schools do exist.
Cynicism isn't clever. It requires no thought or intelligence whatsoever.
Good luck, Big Dave. I'm not sure working 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, is a good idea, but at least it comes from a world view I find preferable to lazy snideness. |
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hangzhouvice
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| another bleeding-heart trying to change the world |
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DaXiangLouis
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An interesting comeback to my point about cynicism there, Hangzhouvice.
Out of interest, how do you square your contempt for profiteering with your contempt for bleeding hearts attempting to change the world? |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| another bleeding-heart trying to change the world |
tush tush - trying to change the figures on the ballance-sheets is quite satisfactory |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Out of interest, how do you square your contempt for profiteering with your contempt for bleeding hearts attempting to change the world? |
please sir - let me answer this one 
Well sir, I was taught if you really wanted to change the world for the good of humanity then you rendered your services to the weak and needy.
Sorry to sound a tad cynical - but changing the world through working for EF - after all doesn't that organisation prey on the weak and needy FT - dear me I think I've just wet my pants  |
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DaXiangLouis
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Vikdk, thanks for answering the question - but you have missed the point spectacularly.
It was Hangzhouvice who lambasted profiteering in one post and then proceeded to sneer at 'another bleeding-heart trying to change the world'. I never said I was trying to change anything - I'm just confused as to how someone could hold those two positions at the same time.
A word of advice, vikdk. When you write about child education, what you say is admirable and to be respected and listened to. However, when you set yourself up as a heroic defender of the downtrodden FT, you just sound like someone desperately trying to make himself popular by scoring cheap points. I'd stick to the first kind of post if I were you. |
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hangzhouvice
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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i square that very easily my friend
profiteering is an extreme...as is being a bleeding heart trying to change the world
extremes should be avoided
a balance should be sought |
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no_exit
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| Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
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| Anyhow, how is someone a sucker if they're doing a job they like and are satisfied with the wage? If someone is happy with what they're doing, then it doesn't really matter what you think, does it? |
well at least he is thinking - thinking about how these suckers undercut the market, thus making employers conclude that offering low wages to FT's is such an easy touch. Maybe if some FT's did actually think - and thereafter act with regard to improving general conditions of employment for FT's in China - then we wouldn't have to spend so much time having to discuss the kind of job rip-offs that are so common in this country. Why are so many people meekly falling into these traps - making life so much harder for all us others |
I'd be tempted to agree with you vikdk, if these people actually felt exploited or trapped. This guy comes on here obviously pretty pleased with his job, and whether or not other people think he's stupid or a sucker for doing it is pretty irrelevant.
I don't want to get into the undercutting thing again, because I think it is a lot more complicated than people working at EF for low(ish) wages driving down the market for everyone. You will always be undercut by backpackers and Chinese language students, but you know you're better than them, so why even place yourself into a position to be competing with these people for jobs in the first place? I know that my ability to find a well paying job hasn't been affected in the slightest by EF and what they pay, so if people want to take those jobs for the salary that EF offers, then they can knock themselves out. Have fun. It doesn't have anything to do with me, or you, or anyone else who doesn't work for EF and has no intention of ever doing so. |
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