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An interlude in jolly ol' Deutschland possible?

 
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: An interlude in jolly ol' Deutschland possible? Reply with quote

Guten Tag, Freunde und Freundinnen!

This is Steppenwolf, TEFL veteran currently based in China, looking to get some pointers about getting employment in Germany, jawohl!

The German lingo poses no problemo, nor do quals. The reason why I am asking is manifold:
- I have been in the Chinese boonies for several years (began last century...) - will that compromise my chances?

- I have been teaching English here most of the time though I also taught German (and have an excellent testimonial from my British superior at that school);

- the main snag is this: I am getting married to a Chinese national (and that's the reason why I want to go to Germany!) - this could be a serious counterweight to my hopes, doesn't it? I hope she can work here too though she speaks no Deutsch! How about Mandarin classes? Any freelance classes?

In short, I am asking for the Impossible; is it possible to succeed? "Wer nichts wagt, gewinnt nichts..."
And yes, I am not an E.U. passport holder though I have close relatives in an E.U. country. My parents hailed from Europe, though.

What's your opinion, folks? Thanks in advance!
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: An interlude in jolly ol' Deutschland possible? Reply with quote

Steppenwolf wrote:
Guten Tag, Freunde und Freundinnen!

This is Steppenwolf, TEFL veteran currently based in China, looking to get some pointers about getting employment in Germany, jawohl!

The German lingo poses no problemo, nor do quals. The reason why I am asking is manifold:
- I have been in the Chinese boonies for several years (began last century...) - will that compromise my chances?

- I have been teaching English here most of the time though I also taught German (and have an excellent testimonial from my British superior at that school);

- the main snag is this: I am getting married to a Chinese national (and that's the reason why I want to go to Germany!) - this could be a serious counterweight to my hopes, doesn't it? I hope she can work here too though she speaks no Deutsch! How about Mandarin classes? Any freelance classes?

In short, I am asking for the Impossible; is it possible to succeed? "Wer nichts wagt, gewinnt nichts..."
And yes, I am not an E.U. passport holder though I have close relatives in an E.U. country. My parents hailed from Europe, though.

What's your opinion, folks? Thanks in advance!


Hi Steppenwolf...please put the emphasis on the 'not an E.U. passport holder'. In theory anything is possible, aber lies bitte meinen Eintrag vom anderen Forum, den ich zwecks Aufklaerung der Nordamerikaner geschrieben habe, die sich in Deutschland oder sonstigen EUlaendern betaetigen wollen. Deine Chancen sind ganz einfach gesagt, gering:
I want to clarify this to everyone and finalize the point here so you all know the harsh, but fair truth.

My background is such, I lived on student visas in Europe for the past 8 years and am now in South Korea (I am an American). I left because I was broke and because of me being a North American I know the ins and outs of the EU deal. Bottom line is every year the EU is expanding and in particular consolidating, that means, every year North Americans without immediate British, Greek or Irish ancestry have basically zero chances of work within an EU country. Why? Well within the EU an employer who wants to hire you needs to prove to the respective country's labor board that you possess qualifications that no comparable EU citizen can. That is the first incentive for ESL employers to hire on Brits and Irish, it's easier for THEM. The other thing is that in some countries, like France, hiring a non EU actually costs the employer money in addition to the need to prove that you are better qualified than an EU person. What employer would go through that headache and financial loss just for you. There are some countries, which are more amenable to North Americans, Portugal and Germany come to mind but forget about Italy or France or Spain or just about any other long time member of the EU. Poland, although having joined recently will often sponsor visas, but that is becoming less and less so the case (you also earn chicken feed in the Eastern Block Countries). There really are only 2 ways around the conundrum. The easiest (especially if you are a young and attractive female) is marry an EU citizen, then you are set and have the same status as a Brit or Irishman. Or if you are lucky enough you can apply for passport from the respective country (only Greece, Ireland and GB) if your mother/father and/or grandmother/grandfather hails from one of these countries. Otherwise tough luck. As you may have read there really isn't any other way around it all. I am bilingual in German and English and speak fluent French but no chance, me being a bloody yank. There is one way, which would be a long shot, if you are Canadian. All members of British Common Wealth countries are entitled to a 2-year work visa up to the age of thirty for GB. You could theoretcally find someway to extend that to 5 years and after 5 years of work in the UK, you can apply for a British passport and then you have EU status, takes a bit longer but what the hell? I as an American am permanently screwed and it sucks since virtually all my close friends are some place in Europe and since I was broke and they pay for the flight decided to work in the sewer pit otherwise known as Korea. Why is the EU doing this...well ten years ago, it was hard but not nigh impossible to get work in an EU country but with consolidation comes economic protectionism...it all makes sense, you now how hard it is for foreigners to get work in the US? All but impossible...too bad I hate the states...only that there anyone can apply for a green card, in Europe they have no such thing. So that's basically the scoop, sucks but it is the truth. Marry an EU national, try a Scheinehe (german for seeming or pretend marriage), they check up on that but you never know...on a more positive note North Americans are preferred in Eastern Asia and your chances in Russia are the same as any Brit...sucks being American or Canadian don't it? I want to live and settle down in Europe but I am also realistic so next year I am looking at Russia and Japan...
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nelly06



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steppenwolf,

agree with Deicide: pretty tough without EU-passport. My two cents worth: try to get your hands on a European passport since your parents came from Europe! Go to the relevant embassy-consulate and get it rolling....
Regarding your wife: I don't believe that the Einwanderungsbehoerde makes any difference between nationalities- only the old EU/non EU story. I have a bit of experience in that field (German, married to non EU citizen) and had endless converstations with the relevant offices.
Feel free to PM !
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nelly06



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Suzi K,

Are you looking for English teachers sipping GOJI juice in front of their classes????[/quote]
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furiousmilksheikali



Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Suzie K wrote:
nelly06 wrote:
Dear Suzi K,

Are you looking for English teachers sipping GOJI juice in front of their classes????



Sorry.....i am not used to this posting bit yet.

I am looking for people who want to earn a great income. The product is Goji Juice and it is a great product. The company freelife is opening up in Germany in 6 months. If you are interested and have contacts in Germany or live there then i can send you more info.
[/quote]

How does this relate to ESL? It doesn't. Get yourself off this forum and find some other suckers interested in your business ventures.
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nelly06



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suzie K wrote:
furiousmilksheikali wrote:
Quote:
Suzie K wrote:
nelly06 wrote:
Dear Suzi K,

Are you looking for English teachers sipping GOJI juice in front of their classes????



Sorry.....i am not used to this posting bit yet.

I am looking for people who want to earn a great income. The product is Goji Juice and it is a great product. The company freelife is opening up in Germany in 6 months. If you are interested and have contacts in Germany or live there then i can send you more info.


How does this relate to ESL? It doesn't. Get yourself off this forum and find some other suckers interested in your business ventures.


Nelly
If you interested in supplementing your income let me know[/quote]
_____________________________________________________

Suzie K: For sure NOT!!!!
furiousmilksheikali: I meant the first posting to be ironical.. Sorry for not having been more clear!!!
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Showem



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steppenwolf, never minding the work visa issue, are you prepared to try and support two of you on a teaching income in Germany? If you have been in the backwaters of China for a while, you might be in for a shock at the difference in the cost of living.

I wouldn't say being married to anyone in particular or having been in China will mar your chances, but I would look at how much you can reasonably expect to earn (remember that most teachers work freelance in Germany, meaning no health care, pension, etc along with the wacky hours) before you start packing to arrive here.
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abusalam4



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Job in Germany????? Reply with quote

Steppenwolf,

it is like the other people in this board said: Getting a legal job over here is difficult because you are not a EU passport holder. The same may apply with respect to your Chinese wife....

Also, please consider this: You would have find and pay for your own housing, and rents in Germany are quite high. It might be difficult to pay for this and other regular expenses with a pretty low income you may have when working here for some of the private language schools. You will be a freelancer here, not being paid during holidays and vacation, and you have no basic "income security". Their pay is mostly crap, and no German person (with a decent university degree) would be really willing to work for that.

I do not know your age...but I think that from a certain mature age on you would be much less in favour of "adventures" and a relatively unstable life. This is why I would only apply for university jobs anywhere I would go.

Hermann Hesse is nice to read but real life these days in Germany is somewhat harder and ..... [/b]
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Jetset



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Job in Germany????? Reply with quote

abusalam4 wrote:

Also, please consider this: You would have find and pay for your own housing, and rents in Germany are quite high.


High compared to where? Last I checked, rents in Germany are extremely low for the western world (although city dependant to some degree).

Berlin has very cheap rents and its a very affordable place to live. Deise stadt ist nicht zu teuer!
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Job in Germany????? Reply with quote

Jetset wrote:
abusalam4 wrote:

Also, please consider this: You would have find and pay for your own housing, and rents in Germany are quite high.


High compared to where? Last I checked, rents in Germany are extremely low for the western world (although city dependant to some degree).

Berlin has very cheap rents and its a very affordable place to live. Deise stadt ist nicht zu teuer!


You're not EU, forget it...
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Psst-Rolex?



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If both your parent were born in an EU Country you are legally entitled to apply for, and receive, an EU passport from the country where they were born. To get your passport, based on info you provided, it is a simple application process. However, If only one of your parents were born in the EU it gets a bit tricky. As for your wife; if you hold an EU passport your wife is automatically entitled to a 5 year residence visa for the EU country you live in. Remember if your parents were born in (lets say Britian) and you want to live in Germany; you must obtain your British passport, your wife needs a Schengen Visa (this is valid for 90 days) and during this 90 days you need to apply for a Residence visa for your wife in Germany. No EU country can deny your wife residency in their country once you have your EU passport.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psst-Rolex? wrote:
If both your parent were born in an EU Country you are legally entitled to apply for, and receive, an EU passport from the country where they were born. To get your passport, based on info you provided, it is a simple application process. However, If only one of your parents were born in the EU it gets a bit tricky. As for your wife; if you hold an EU passport your wife is automatically entitled to a 5 year residence visa for the EU country you live in. Remember if your parents were born in (lets say Britian) and you want to live in Germany; you must obtain your British passport, your wife needs a Schengen Visa (this is valid for 90 days) and during this 90 days you need to apply for a Residence visa for your wife in Germany. No EU country can deny your wife residency in their country once you have your EU passport.


This is absolute misinformation. The only countries which do that are Ireland, the UK and Greece; Germany doesn't even let some people who were born there have citizenship.
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Psst-Rolex?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid your wrong, but not on all points you raise. What you indicate about Germany is true to some extent. However, let me present additional info for you. What I presented are documented facts and EU law, therfore binding on all EU countries. Rather than write a lengthy explaination, and as each situation can present its own unique circumstances, you may refer to this link. It is basic info but sums it up quite neatly.
http://www.wikihow.com/Obtain-an-EU-Passport-as-a-US-Citizen
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Psst-Rolex? wrote:
I'm afraid your wrong, but not on all points you raise. What you indicate about Germany is true to some extent. However, let me present additional info for you. What I presented are documented facts and EU law, therfore binding on all EU countries. Rather than write a lengthy explaination, and as each situation can present its own unique circumstances, you may refer to this link. It is basic info but sums it up quite neatly.
http://www.wikihow.com/Obtain-an-EU-Passport-as-a-US-Citizen


wikihow to....hahaha...in some cases it can be done, yes but there ARE countries which don't allow it. My Hungarian passport is in the works as we speak...but I don't know if I will get it for sure...
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Psst-Rolex?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiki was my choice of response as it was a clear general description. However, my initial post is fact based on my personal situation and experience with EU law.
It definitely was not.
[absolute misinformation] or based on an opinion.
That said, I'd be happy to help you or Steppenwolf if you want to know what to expect or how to proceed based on your exact circumstances. [/quote]
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