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SeasonedVet
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 236 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: Highs and Lows |
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Anyone who has lived in Japan for more than a year might know of the highs and lows.
There are times when you feel like " Wow! I am actually living and working in Japan, something my parents never had the opportunity to do, and something most of my friends or relatives cannot do because of obligations at home; the chance has passed"
And there are times when you feel like " What-Am-I-Doing-Here-So-Far-From-Everything-I-Have-Come-To-Know-As-Home-And-Family-And-Friends-And-Culture-And-Food etc ..
There are times when you feel like leaving, and there are times when you feel like staying. There are Highs and there are lows.
Can anyone attest to this?
I wonder, for the guys who have Japanese girlfriends and those who are married, do you explain or talk about your high and low feelings with your partner/spouse?
If you do, does he/she understand?
If you don't, why don't you?
(private questions. maybe too private? Feel free to ignore the parts you don't wish to answer)
There may also be some non-Japanese living here who Do Not experience the highs and lows but who are on a perpetual High. Enjoying their lives in their adopted country.
Looking forward to hearing some experiences. |
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kdynamic

Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 562 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Everyone has highs and lows, and they are exaggerated when living in a foriegn culture. It's part of culture shock.
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wolfman

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 189
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Life is all about choices. Everything is subjective. You choose what it means to you.
I think that's why the highs and lows exist. Two different ways of looking at the same thing that isn't inherently good or bad. |
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mtheta
Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 76
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Hey man, I have only been here a month and I feel like that. It was bad last week, but the feeling past. I just need to keep the positives in mind and remember why I came here. It is human nature.
Nice to hear that Im not alone when it comes to those feelings. |
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nawlinsgurl

Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 363 Location: Kanagawa and feeling Ok....
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:46 am Post subject: |
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I can certainly attest to the lows of living in Japan--I complained about them several times on this board. But after taking some advice from friendly and informed people on this site, I eventually got over my miserable-ness. I bitched about not understanding and being able to communicate, but I started taking Japanese lessons to help that. I complained about my crappy Nova job, but now have a way better job to help that. I complained about the food, the stores, clothes that wouldn't fit me, and the inability of Japanese people to think outside of the box and almost all of those problems I have found solutions for except the last. I pretty happy with Japan right now, but my husband is another deal...if only I could find a solution for him...  |
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NorthofAmerica
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 187 Location: Recovering Expat
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I have only been here a little over a month now but basically since the 2nd week I have been on an almost perpetual high. Sure, I get irritated at minor problems but overall I am much happier here than I was in Canada. I was constantly depressed and listless in Canada but here I find I can always get over periods of depression with a little reality check i.e. "Holy shit! I am in Japan right now!!" I know exactly what I left behind and don't really miss things too much.
The one thing that is hard is not having any companions to share all the crazy experiences and feelings you're going through. I have met many people here but there are still times I miss having an old friend to confide in. But whenever I get too lonely there are always plenty of friendly Japanese around and a blog and email to write in. I think the internet makes this whole experience MUCH more bearable than even say 10 or 15 years ago. |
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luckyloser700
Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 308 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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I've been with my current J girl for over a year and I always tell her about the lows. It was hard for her at first and she would always defend the J people that I complained about or would tell me to go home if I didn't like the place; she never took my side. As our relationship grew, she became more willing to address some of the problems of this country and its people with me. And I became more open-minded about how I often saw things in a skewed light because I'm a Westerner. It's a lot easier for me now than it was before I met her to let lots of things I couldn't understand before just slide off my back.
Anyway, the highs here are pretty consistent for me; always have been. I often meet good people and continue to have new and interesting experiences. Even though there's a ton of shit that really bothers me about this country and the people, I still find myself happy to be here after several years. I've lived in and outside of Tokyo, in the countryside and in bigger cities. I wouldn't live anywhere but the Tokyo area given the choice, but I do hate the way so many people (not everyone) live like animals here in Tokyo. It's the thing that brings me down the most in this country; they push their way through crowds (sometimes almost violently), they cut in lines, they don't stop to help others who have fallen or landed in some other kind of trouble, and will sometimes walk away from you if you ask them a question (I expect this for myself, but it blows me away when it happens to my girlfriend or other J friends). Too many of these incidents occur inside of a week and I can get to feeling pretty low. I'm sure it's only a minority here that really sucks, but the crap that they pull sometimes just sticks in my head, clouding out all the good images and memories that have been stored in there while living in this country.
Yeah, the highs and lows of living here are always on our minds. I feel lucky that things are positive for me most of the time here. Lots of other foreigners have the low periods too often. |
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SeasonedVet
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 236 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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luckyloser,
Interesting post.
It is always good to find out how others are faring here.
Thanks for that. Very informative.
It's interesting how things seem to change over time. |
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SeasonedVet
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 236 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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but I do hate the way so many people (not everyone) live like animals here in Tokyo. It's the thing that brings me down the most in this country; they push their way through crowds (sometimes almost violently), they cut in lines, they don't stop to help others who have fallen or landed in some other kind of trouble, and will sometimes walk away from you if you ask them a question (I expect this for myself, but it blows me away when it happens to my girlfriend or other J friends). |
wow I didn't know that that kind of stuff happened in Tokyo. which part of Tokyo does stuff like that happen? Does it differ from place to place? Wow.
I could easily imaging if a foreigner said that a japanese person avoided them or walked away when being asked a question but hearing of this happening to a Japanese person is interesting. A Japanese friend of mine said it has happened to her)
In the Kansai area that kind of thing happens if the person looks weird or unusually dangerous or strange. But other than that foreigners or Japanese are usally answered when asking a question.
It has happened to me once though but the situation might not have been usual. I am not sure. I was waiting to meet someone I had never met before at a hotel lobby. There was a person who looked like she was waiting to meet someone also. After waiting for a while (incidentally I had found myself standing a little closer to this young lady) I mustered anough courage to ask her this question:
"excuse me are you ...."
And that is as far as I got before she walked away from me down to the other end of the lobby.
Needless to say I felt deflated. That can be very embarrassing.
eventually the person the young lady was waiting on turned up. It was an old guy. I tried to figure out in my head why she would have walked away like that. It could have been any number of reasons so I just stopped thinking about it and put it as a memory and experience.
it is interesting to see how some girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses deal with their partner's lows. Some don't understand at first.
Some do. it depends on the person. Some understand after a while.
I guess when they don't understand it is really hard on the foreigner.
Sometimes we don't understand them too. And it might be hard on them too.
I remember before I could speak Japanese I always got my former girlfriend to translate/speak for me. I was often angry when I couldn't get a clear answer from the person she was translating from. And in my state of being upset it might have seemed that I was upset with her ( but I wasn't). I just could not understand how you could ask a question and get a non-answer, or half an answer or cloudy answer. Usually not a clear answer.
After a few years I told her, "now I can understand how you felt not getting any clear answer from people and then having to translate it into English for me" and her reply was "Yarro?" |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder, for the guys who have Japanese girlfriends and those who are married, do you explain or talk about your high and low feelings with your partner/spouse?
If you do, does he/she understand? |
Sometimes, and sometimes.
People often don't realize just how much culture shock will affect them, or in what ways. I have had very little, but that's me. I lived here before for a short time, learned a lot about the culture between that period and when I came here to teach, and learned some of the language.
Other things people need to do to combat culture shock.
1. Keep a lifeline back home. Email. Letters. Regular phone calls. Whatever. But they also need to realize that life goes on for those back home, and in a short time (surprisingly short!) they will not answer emails or letters as quickly as before. They have not forgotten your situation, but their lives have to continue, too.
2. Learn the language. Pretty obvious why.
3. Get out of the apartment. Shyness in an unfamiliar territory is a terrible thing. Get a bike. Walk. Ride the subway. Do something to get out, instead of sitting in a tiny cubicle of an apartment watching videos of old movies.
4. Make friends. Obvious again, but don't just make fellow foreigners your friends. They often complain about the situations they are in, and speak only in English, so you are stuck again in a negative environment. As for Japanese friends, don't expect the closeness that you get from your fellow foreigners. Or, at least, don't believe the closeness you perceive from the onset. Learn what honne and tatemae are all about.
5. Some people go overboard and "go native". While I won't profess to tell people how to run their lives, it is important to put things in perspective. For those who want to be as Japanese as they can, be aware that no foreigner is fully accepted in Japanese culture. We are all outsiders, and you just have to dig deep enough to realize how that affects you.
6. Leave your western morals and business ethics behind, or at least put them on hold. Lots of people judge Japan by another culture's way of thinking (you can't help it). When voiced too vocally, it puts them and other foreigners in a bad light. Japanese people can at times understand what you are talking about, even if they don't know all the words, so watch out for your English conversations around them. It's not all gibberish to them. And, take care with your discreet conversations, too. One's manner can be seen by coworkers, and they may suspect things are brewing. Also, don't expect to change Japan or your workplace into your own version of it just to suit your background culture.
7. Plan for a return. Reverse culture shock can be just as powerful as regular culture shock. |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
. While I won't profess to tell people how to run their lives... |
Anyone else find this funny?
Glenski wrote: |
Leave your western morals and business ethics behind, or at least put them on hold. Lots of people judge Japan by another culture's way of thinking (you can't help it). |
Alot of people find their morals to be a pretty important thing in their lives. I don't think it is unfair to judge one culture by another. In fact usually it is only through comparing cultures that you can start to understand one or the other.
I think you would be right in saying "Don't assume that the Japanese way of doing things is wrong simply because it is different from certain Western ways of doing things". Travelling abroad often gives you a better way of critiquing your own society but it doesn't mean you can't critique the country you visit. |
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luckyloser700
Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 308 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
Glenski wrote: |
. While I won't profess to tell people how to run their lives... |
Anyone else find this funny?
Glenski wrote: |
Leave your western morals and business ethics behind, or at least put them on hold. Lots of people judge Japan by another culture's way of thinking (you can't help it). |
Alot of people find their morals to be a pretty important thing in their lives. I don't think it is unfair to judge one culture by another. In fact usually it is only through comparing cultures that you can start to understand one or the other.
I think you would be right in saying "Don't assume that the Japanese way of doing things is wrong simply because it is different from certain Western ways of doing things". Travelling abroad often gives you a better way of critiquing your own society but it doesn't mean you can't critique the country you visit. |
Ali, I agree with you, but I think Glenski's point was to avoid being too open about your criticisms. As you probably know, Japanese, in particular, are very sensitive about criticism of their culture and country. Being Japanese means being Japan and being Japanese culture; most Japanese can't detach themselves from this way of thinking. For many Japanese, to point out flaws in the country, culture, or pretty much anything Japanese is to say that the Japanese are a flawed people (which they are; we all are). Not too many people like things like that being addressed openly here.
Anyway, if all this is old news to you, I apologize. Just don't know you well enough, yet. |
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