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Residence and citzenship for non Japanese

 
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sushi



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:14 am    Post subject: Residence and citzenship for non Japanese Reply with quote

This has been a big criticism of Japan by the rest of the world. Why are there so many right wingers in government who are doing their utmost to keep Japan for the Japanese. Koreans who were born there and whose parents were born there are still considered aliens or foreigeners. Some though have done well for themselves like for example the Lotte founder.

Article in Time magazine recently quoted buisness men who said the country must change it's immigration policies and allow more foreigeners in as residents and then as citizens.

Korea is backwards in a lot of things, but it at least is considering other options to a one race only policy
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canuck



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Residence and citzenship for non Japanese Reply with quote

sushi wrote:
Koreans who were born there and whose parents were born there are still considered aliens or foreigeners.


Many Koreans here want to stay Korean, and have the opportunity to change their nationality, but the vast majority don't.
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canuck wrote:
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Many Koreans here want to stay Korean, and have the opportunity to change their nationality, but the vast majority don't.


But there is a reason why. ( or reasons)
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeasonedVet wrote:
Canuck wrote:
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Many Koreans here want to stay Korean, and have the opportunity to change their nationality, but the vast majority don't.


But there is a reason why. ( or reasons)


Perhaps you're right. But you shouldn't leave it hanging like that. What are the reasons?
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luckyloser700



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Residence and citzenship for non Japanese Reply with quote

sushi wrote:


Article in Time magazine recently quoted buisness men who said the country must change it's immigration policies and allow more foreigeners in as residents and then as citizens.


With the decline of the birthrate and the resulting lower number of young people available to fill job vacancies in this country, Japan may have to start importing even more "talent" from overseas. Lots of people in Southeast Asian countries start learning Japanese at a young age in preparation for a life in Japan. Things will eventually have to change if Japan has to start bringing more and more foreigners in to fill the void.
Or not. Who knows?
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

furiousmilksheikali wrote:
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Perhaps you're right. But you shouldn't leave it hanging like that. What are the reasons?


I have head a Japanese friend of mine saying that also, that they can have citizenship if they want but they don't want to.
But I later found out that there is more to it. It just doesn't begin and end there.

let me first state that I cannot do justice to the question.

I can only say a few words and even so I think it would take an entirely new thread to discuss the issue.

I will just mention what I have gleaned.

Some scholars suggest that because of the History of Japanese domination of korea where Koreans were forced to change their names and change their language, that Koreans do not want to become naturalized because it would mean changing their names permanently. A fresh reminder of what was done during the years of domination.

Scholars also suggest that Koreans in Japan have always wanted to be Koreans with Korean names and their own language. Langueage and culture are so closely connected with identity.

It has also been suggested that if Koreans in Japan become naturalized that they will have to use a Japanese family register and relinquish the Korean one. Something some are unwilling to do.

I read an interview with a Korean in Japan, and asked about the issue of citizenship she said something to the effect that (if I remember correctly, don't quote me on this) when being considered for citizenship that they are subjected to some form of severe interrogation and observaton. And she said why bother with that.

( I prefer to hear straight from the mouths of the Koreans in Japan. Because you will hear stereotypical things being repeated by people sometimes. What they have heard. Also the scholars that I have been reading do not all agree. There are slightly different opinions on some of the issues. Worth reading up on. Sorry I am unable to answer the question properly)
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I realize the limitations SeasonedVet has on trying to answer the question about Koreans. Let me just add these points.

1. Changing names to Japanese ones is not just for Koreans. All naturalized citizens must do it.

2. Interrogation sounds militaristic, but in general terms it is true, according to naturalized citizen Debito Arudou. The point I want to make is that it applies to anyone wishing to be naturalized, not just Koreans.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of my former students used his Korean name when he was in 10th grade, but by the time he was 17 his name was Japanese, because he wanted his name to change.
I think he wanted to blend in. He had lived in Korea and I think he had a hard time being a returnee.
Both of his parents are university teachers.

Another boy I taught had a Japanese name. He was 4th generation, I think.

I have taught a couple other Koreans who have kept their name.
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is usually true that ethnic Koreans in Japan can go through the processes to get Japanese nationality, but that many choose not to.

But, as seasoned vet also mentioned, it would be a woeful oversimplification to sum up their situation in that way. It still wouldn't be a perfect way to sum it up, but perhaps it might be more accurate to say they can 'go through the processes to get rid of their Korean nationality, but many chose not to'. Because, that's really what it amounts to. To get anywhere in Japanese society, they'll usually have to erase all traces of "Koreanness".

Glenski is right that other nationalities may also have to change their names, and they'll also be unable to retain their former nationality. But other nationalities were not subject to the brutal occupation and attempted cultural genocide of forced name changes and the banning by an occupying power of their own language on their own soil in the relatively recent past. So it's surely perfectly understandable that many find having to get rid of even their name to get a better life in the country they were born in somewhat humiliating. Given this background to the situatuion, it's very disappointing that even present day Japan bends so little to accommodate ethnic Koreans born in Japan, speaking its language and contributing to its society.

Another thing that probably not many people realise is that ethnic Koreans who DO change their nationality and end up using a Japanese name sometimes still find doors not open to them. I personally know one such person whose Japanese fiance's parents suddenly withdrew their approval and support of their plans to get married when they found out she had a Korean background. (Both her parents were born here, it had been her grandparents who were brought over as forced labourers during the period of occupation.) I know a couple of others who have been refused employment or promotion, which they believe was for the same reason.

It IS an extremely complex issue which would require a lot of time to cover all the angles of. But, I think the more you learn about it, the more disappointed you become with how the Japanese state has treated these people. It's certainly true that Japan isn't the only country to not appear in a very favourable light on this issue, but it's a bit sad when that's used as the excuse to do nothing.
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