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FGT

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: Terminology |
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Can someone please remind me of the technical term for the way words run together in speech? |
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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syntax : the grammatical arrangement of words in sentences
1605, from Fr. syntaxe, from L.L. syntaxis, from Gk. syntaxis "a putting
together or in order, arrangement, syntax," from stem of syntassein
"put in order" from syn- "together" + tassein "arrange"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php
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fluffyhamster
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rusmeister
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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I believe FGT is talking about the phenomenon of saying "an apple" as /a napple/, n'est-ce-pas? That would be neither syntax nor assimilation.
The French term was elision, if I recall correctly. I can't think of an English word off-hand.
For the record, assimilation is the absorption of one phoneme (sound) by another, as in the 'p' in cupboard being absorbed by the 'b'. |
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spiral78

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Reduction? Why'm I, for example. |
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dmb

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: |
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The French term was elision, if I recall correctly. I can't think of an English word off-hand. |
it's elision. |
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Actually, elision is showing up in English dictionaries too;
like here for example. Learn somethin' new every day.
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FGT

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I had first thought that it was elision but had some doubts and therefore posted my question. From a quick check of fluffyhamster's encyclopaedia I think it's actually liaison.
Thank you all for your responses. |
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dmb

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: |
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It's my understanding that liasion is a term from French grammar where a word that ends in a consonant istied together with the vowel of the following word les enfants
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elision is where the vowel at the end of a word is lost/elided before another vowel at the beginning of the word that follows |
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FGT

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: |
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I agree with dmb.
I think liaison is when a sound is added or moves eg "There's a bar on the corner" where the /r/ acts as a buffer between the two vowel sounds (with RP accent the /r/ is absent when saying the single word "bar"), or "a napple, a numbrella etc"; but elision is more when something is missing eg "fish and chips" pronounced as "fission chips". |
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yaramaz

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Liaisons are dangereux |
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wildchild

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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If yall don't mind I thought I might contribute a bit to the discussion.
As far as I know, elison is when info is left out, for example, I'm craving a beer, aren't you (also craving a beer)?.
Assimilation is when sounds blend together, for example the final t and i in constitution which blend together to make a sh sound.
Reduced forms are words like gonna and watchya, as in whatchya gonna do later. |
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Like a Rolling Stone

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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wildchild wrote: |
If yall don't mind I thought I might contribute a bit to the discussion.
As far as I know, elison is when info is left out, for example, I'm craving a beer, aren't you (also craving a beer)?.
Assimilation is when sounds blend together, for example the final t and i in constitution which blend together to make a sh sound.
Reduced forms are words like gonna and watchya, as in whatchya gonna do later. |
elision is when something is left out. In phonological terms it is when a sound is left out. So you are right in your example, but its not just grammar.  |
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dmb

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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dmb wrote: |
It's my understanding that liasion is a term from French grammar where a word that ends in a consonant istied together with the vowel of the following word les enfants
whereas
elision is where the vowel at the end of a word is lost/elided before another vowel at the beginning of the word that follows |
I am right.
*just for a change dmb feels smug* |
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Like a Rolling Stone

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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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dmb wrote: |
dmb wrote: |
It's my understanding that liasion is a term from French grammar where a word that ends in a consonant istied together with the vowel of the following word les enfants
whereas
elision is where the vowel at the end of a word is lost/elided before another vowel at the beginning of the word that follows |
I am right.
*just for a change dmb feels smug* |
Yes your right. Buy the man a popsicle  |
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