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Over the Hill at 59?

 
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Justateacher



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Over the Hill at 59? Reply with quote

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I was offered a job in KSA. I am 58 1/2. If I accept I would like to stay in KSA for a few years. Is it possible to continue working in Saudia Arabia into my 60's. I hear comments that 53 is the "over the hill" age.

I would appreciate you comments.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scot47 where are you? This sounds like your kind of question... Cool

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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some places will not hire after 55. Others are more liberal.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have known of a few people in their 60s who work in KSA. Much depends on who you work for: as a rule, state-run places are more reluctant to take on 'older' teachers than private institutions. There may even be legal restrictions on their employing teachers over the age of 60, but I'm not sure.
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Abba



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Over the Hill at 59? Reply with quote

Justateacher wrote:
.... Is it possible to continue working in Saudia Arabia into my 60's. I hear comments that 53 is the "over the hill" age.


I know some places, like university in the south of SA has stopped the contracts of lecturers who were aged 60 and over?
and it depends also on the institution how they apply the SA age regulations. Some institution are desperate, so they keep the old experienced employees for more few years (of course after the permission from the higher level authority ! And if you have a connection with one of the BIG AMIR you are likely to be exempt from the rules !
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caliph



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've known quite a few over 60 employees, if you're there a few years earlier AND continue to do a decent job, not take too many sick days, maintain your enthusiasm, they usually keep you on.

Remember, 60 is the "new" 40.
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nikon



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: over 60 Reply with quote

I was hired at kfupm when I was 60 and after a few months I turned 61.
Although there may be some age discrimination in the KSA, as well with oncoming age, it is less easy to put up with bs than when you were younger. So If you can get a job here, it's up to you what you can give and in turn what you can take. I understand of 600 candidates that were screened for this university during one year ,only 30 came or are planning to come. !!!???
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soitsenglishweteach



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:10 am    Post subject: you might not agree Reply with quote

I heard that in the U.K. there are plans to keep you working till your in your late 70's.

Why not go there?

It seems to me that sooner or later the old boys will just ahve to accept that their is simply too much young blood out there, especially teh newly qualified Saudi english teachers who will all need jobs. Soon enough the old white skin and tie will lose its shine too. What will happen then to all those old men surfing around the Khaleej looking for any bit of a grasp on life that they can get.

I have a question, didn't you think to begin to prepare for this day somewhat earlier. Perhaps thought of having a family or found a community at least where you could have settled down?

Must be hard to be wandering all over the strange Arab lands with not much at home waiting for you except expensive rent for a bedsit. I have always wondered how these guys get hired anyway. they rarely have much in the way to offer students who have a zest for life whilst they are just waiting to scrape enough together for a last Thai fling and then off home to a nursing home.

KFUPM - - not surprised, over funded under achieving, bastion of the old boys brigade.

Sounds a little like our over 60's. Have you not heard of the Aged corps in the U.K. where you can put your skills really to the test.

oh I forgot its money your interested in.

phew. glad thats off my chest.
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Rennenkampf



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that Jubail Industrial College and its 'University'now specialize in hiring men (and some women) in their very late 50s.I have heard that most of the U.S and U.K teachers at JIC are either a few years over 60 or
not far from 60.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In KSA having that grey hair gets you a bit of respect ! Not like in the decadent and debaushed West where young is cool.
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Queen of Sheba



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muslims are taught to respect their elders, and oftentimes when they don�t even deserve it. In any cultural or religious standards, it isn�t polite to assume every person over 55 coming to KSA to teach is desperate or out for some Thai adolescent hooch. It�s also impolite and prejudiced to assume all Thai are for sale. I have seen many people well into their 50s working here - I think it comes down to your health, aptitude and cultural adaptation as a teacher in the "twilight years." Not that I consider 59 to be a twilight year in the least, but others might. Especially arrogant Sasquatch so-called "Muslims" who would rather keep all others out of KSA so they can take those jobs for themselves and their Sasquatch brethren. I hope I am not here to witness that decline in quality should it ever take place.

In the end we are all fodder for the vultures. It�s just that the vultures come out prematurely at times.
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soitsenglishweteach



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: cards anyone? Reply with quote

Queen of Sheba wrote:
Muslims are taught to respect their elders, and oftentimes when they don�t even deserve it. In any cultural or religious standards, it isn�t polite to assume every person over 55 coming to KSA to teach is desperate or out for some Thai adolescent hooch.

(LOL@@@ but others might. who me??)
Queen of Sheba wrote:
Especially arrogant Sasquatch so-called "Muslims" who would rather keep all others out of KSA so they can take those jobs for themselves and their Sasquatch brethren.


((( oh you mean those not up to it arab wannabe teachers who have bummed around the place for years making hell for all decent teachers and especially back bitting their saudi brethen and wage payers!!)))

Queen of Sheba wrote:
I hope I am not here to witness that decline in quality should it ever take place.

In the end we are all fodder for the vultures. It�s just that the vultures come out prematurely at times.



I guess thats supposed to clever, hmm let me think about it. Nah it isn't, being childish in the face of the amasing double standards here makes fun for me. I have to say that I am amased that we see people trying to defend people who make up the bulk of the fakers here in ksa. They came from England/ States with the 'turn the page cash the cheque' mentality. Thats why they are in the 300, 400, or 500 club. Also they generally have appaling standards of teaching and terrible hygene habits. It is all masked under the Saudis unwillingness to accept that higher qualifications for EFL teachers is strangelating the new blood flow. they will learn in time that they were lead up this garden path by those same styled twilighters some decades ago.

Not to metion our shami friends who work all over this place for lower wages garnted but their standards are even lower and their back stabbing even more fatal to a good commited teacher.

Queeni - can you play the game?

Peace and if there is none then GWB said it best
Bring it OOOOOONNNN!!
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Queen of Sheba



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Re: cards anyone? Reply with quote

Oh its ON, Great Satan!

soitsenglishweteach wrote:
[oh you mean those not up to it arab wannabe teachers who have bummed around the place for years making hell for all decent teachers and especially back bitting their saudi brethen and wage payers!!)))[/color]


I said sasquatch not Saudi. Look it up. This isnt going to work like this, you have to figure out the metaphors I make and then yell at me accordingly. Otherwise I will tire of you shortly.

soitsenglishweteach wrote:
I guess that�s supposed to clever, hmm let me think about it. Nah it isn't, being childish in the face of the amasing double standards here makes fun for me. I have to say that I am amased that we see people trying to defend people who make up the bulk of the fakers here in ksa. They came from England/ States with the 'turn the page cash the cheque' mentality. That�s why they are in the 300, 400, or 500 club. Also they generally have appaling standards of teaching and terrible hygene habits. It is all masked under the Saudis unwillingness to accept that higher qualifications for EFL teachers is strangelating the new blood flow. they will learn in time that they were lead up this garden path by those same styled twilighters some decades ago.


Ya it was clever, but not as clever as your red font. WOW it�s like a red pen only online!

Okay so it I can read between the run-ons and babble, you admit it�s the Saudi educational system that has created this problem, so take it up with them. Why harass the teachers who are here regardless of their faith and may actually, bath and give a ****. Without them the Saudis wouldn�t have anyone they actually want teaching them. They are tired of religious types who moan about Westernization threatening their nation instead of teaching English, and they don�t want Asians or Saudis as they prefer native English speakers as teachers. This preference isn't specific to KSA. Again, take that up with your Saudi brethren. Oh, but wait, if you had any, you wouldn�t be complaining because you would already have a great job, Saudization coupled with wasta and all. How sad that you are just a wannabee seeking nationality or status and make threats online in hopes of scaring the white folk away.

soitsenglishweteach wrote:
Not to mention our shami friends who work all over this place for lower wages garnted but their standards are even lower and their back stabbing even more fatal to a good commited teacher.


Oh so you like Shami people now? I thought they were taking your job, and that you could do it better, and that's why you suggested "mentoring with a Saudi." More on that in another post, little fella.
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soitsenglishweteach



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: cards anyone? Reply with quote

Queen of Sheba wrote:


Oh so you like Sham now, I thought they were taking your job, and that you could do it better, that why you suggest the "mentoring with a Saudi" system. More on that in another post, little bro.



No I don't actually have much respect for the ones I have seen. Passing people and making exams that are sooo easy but still having to give them a dry run before the actual exam. Where is their integrity? It is just the same with other teachers be they muslim / non muslim native or not.
The truth is that I am a native speaking teacher. It doesn't make me feel better than the others. It is incompetancies and down right selfishness on the part of teachers that I hate. I mean this is a job that has the ability to shape lives. Its a vocation, so like the country, if you've had it or you simply aren't cut out for it simply walk away and make a new life. I have the same feelings about the multitude of fakers wherever they come from.
keep it real they say in my hood.



I loved the way that you failed to spot the refernces that meant I couldn't possibly be saudi or shami or any thing other than brit.

I mean who would remember potted dog sandwhiches except a Brit!!!

Now the question on everyones mind is........................... ( well everyone who was bored enough to trapse through this post)

am I muslim?

yeah but I am bloody hard too so if you wanna get shirty just P.M. me and see where it goes. - LOL

oh and by the way the "little bro" thing was really touching. I actually felt that sense of closeness to you.

You didn't answer my question about wether or not you can play the game queeni.

By the way are you going to give your nationality up too now or do you feel vunerable doing so?
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