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McMurphy



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 5:47 am    Post subject: Average earnings... Reply with quote

Could someone please give me an idea of the average hourly rate for a new teacher in Taiwan with twelve months EFL/ESL teaching experience?
(Working in a private school with mainly Elementary students)

And/or the average monthly salary. I know it's a broad question so any info will be appreciated.
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matchstick_man



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 7:35 am    Post subject: Don't expect your experience or quali-s to count Reply with quote

I'd say if you are new to Taiwan it will be between 500-600 NT an hour. The length of time you stay at a school counts for far more bonus-wise financially than qualifications and outside teaching experience. If you are salaried the average Taiwan starting wage is $50,000 NT some places may offer free accomodation and others may not. (don't expect it all as a Taiwanese rarity). In Taiwan the higher wages tend to be offered to those who speak fluent Mandarin rather than those who have actual English teaching credentials. So you will most likely find yourself making no more than someone with just a university degree.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't expect your experience or quali-s to count Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Average earnings... Reply with quote

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McMurphy



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks a lot JS. I am looking at going to either Tai Chung or Tainan, both places sounding good. Only problem is I have to organise a job from home before I leave as I have very little money.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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brian



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Jason but cant agree that your advice is necessarily good advice for a newcomer. I think that matchstick_mans comments are more on the mark.

jason_seeburn wrote:
I even found, though it wasn't necessary for me because I had enough money, that you can sometimes get a school to buy you a one way airplane ticket.


How does this work? You are required to have a ticket out of the country to be allowed into the country (this is generally checked by the ticket counter staff at the point of departure). There are of course ways around this, but it isn�t possible for a foreigner to arrive in Taiwan (on a tourist or resident visa) without a ticket out of the country.

jason_seeburn wrote:
My experience was that if you can get on the island, you will be alright money wise. The school will realize your situation and help you out (I lived in the owner's house for two weeks when I first got to Taiwan because I had no money for an appartment).


I don�t doubt that this is the truth, but it may not work out this way for everyone. What happens if the guy arrives, finds a job and then has to wait until the following month to get pay for the work that he does during his first month here (which is a pretty common situation � possibly more common than your experience)? What happens if he doesn�t get free accommodation and has to fork out for a deposit and rent on a place of his own? What about all those incidentals including food etc, not to mention the medical, ARC process etc.

jason_seeburn wrote:
People say to bring so many thousands of dollars with you, but I didn't and it worked out for me.


Actually, I think that the advice to bring money with you is good advice. It removes a lot of the pressure of arriving in a new country. You may not have, but isn�t it possible that you didn�t just get lucky. Isn�t it equally as possible that this new guy may not be as lucky.

jason_seeburn wrote:
If you use a recruiter like the guy I gave the web site for, you also have access to A LOT of schools so if you don't like one, or it doesn't like you, there are many more to choose from. Those guys save big on leg work when it comes to finding jobs in Taiwan. I always use them.


I am not a recruiter basher, as I do see that in some circumstances they can be useful. Whether he uses a recruiter or not, doesn�t answer the fact that McMurphy is intending to sign a contract before he arrives. Sure the advantage to doing this is that you will have something lined up for when you arrive, but the disadvantages will almost definitely outweigh the advantages. You will need to sign a contract with people, and on a job that you know nothing about other than what you have been told by someone who has a vested interest in saying nice things about the school (i.e. a recruiter or the school staff). McMurphy, you seem to be heading for trouble. Do yourself a favor and save up or borrow some spending money. Come to Taiwan and find a job when you get here. Aim for a job on the advice that Matchstick_man has given, and if you happen to land something more inline with what Jason has suggested well that will be a bonus. Remember that deals that sound too good to be true often are. If it is your first year in Taiwan, then take a safe option and go for something a bit riskier once you are here.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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McMurphy



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your input Brian, but I won't be signing anything until I see the conditions first hand. I have read a lot of Jason Seeburn's posts and he's proven to be the most insightful sharer of information. True, I haven't been to Taiwan before, but I'm familiar with the recruiting game from Korea. Therefore I will be heading to Taiwan with little money (believe me I don't have a choice) and hope it works out. It may be a bit of a gamble but so what. Worse things happen at sea. (Please people, don't reply to this with your horror stories, I've heard most of them before).
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brian



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McMurphy, no problem. Good luck with whatever you choose. Taiwan's a great place and you shouldnt expect to run into too many troubles if you keep your nose clean, but you would certainly find your initial weeks in Taiwan more relaxing if you had a bit of cash, but nevertheless! Here's a list of schools that you might find useful if you havent already got one. It is a bit old and may be a bit outdated but I know that most of the information is still current:

http://www.geocities.com/allhou/schoo.htm

Everything else being equal you should be able to start a job within a week or so of arriving. See how you go with pay - you never know but you might just get lucky and be able to get an advance on your pay as Jason suggests. Be careful about the accuracy of Jasons posts as I have noticed a number of errors in his posts before, but until now I havent said anything. I understand that he is well meaning but it worries me that he would give the advice that he has to a newcomer, but as you seem to have lived in Asia before I am sure that you know what you are doing. Just because he is the most active poster on this board doesnt mean that he is always right, but then neither am I always right. As you seem to have recognized, taking from this forum what you believe to be the most reasonable advice is the best thing to do.

Jason you're a nut! It might have been an idea to actually read my post before you got all up in arms about it, as you are way off with your criticisms and brash comments. This is a board to provide information. Grow up and respect that other people have opinions that differ to yours, no matter how knowledgable you may think that you are!
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matchstick_man



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:21 am    Post subject: I was living Reply with quote

In the Taichung surrounding area and based my knowledge on what my friends were mostly getting and also the China post. Yes some had scooters provided by their schools if they had to get from branch of the school to another. Look closely at those advertisements and you'll see the ones offering $60,000 NT plus are for 25 hours of work a week....the average full-time teacher works 80 hours a week and will usually receive bonuses that are over the hourly age for doing more so it's still around $50,000 for 80 hours work a month. I once received 70,000 in one month and wouldn't recommend anyone do the type of hours I was doing for that one month for an entire year. Often salaried hours include telephone teaching and listening to cassete tape which will often include no extra money if you're doing 25 hours a week teaching time this is a lot of work.
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matchstick_man



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:22 am    Post subject: Proofreading Reply with quote

80 hours a week should be a month in my previous post.
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McMurphy



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it make a difference if you don't teach kindergarten? I'm keen to only teach elementary age and up. Would this usually affect a monthly salary?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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