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arioch36



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In which country is dating students considered acceptable? Flirting is more of a grey area. Such justification to do wrong continues to astound me. In America and England and Australia it is considered wrong. Most schools and colleges have moral clauses, some have laws. Mexico? Middle East? China??? Just in what country is it considered okay. I would love to let this thread rest, but not on your stetement . Maybe i am so insecure I need the last word, but you can have it if you can tell me which of the countries we teach in here at Dave's consider it is okay. Your statement directly implies..not implies, states that it is a matter of common cultural difference. Okay, which cultures? Please tell!
Otherwise it is just the typical; I'll justify my behaviour by saying "everyone else" is doing it.
Seriously, I do wrong all the time. This isn't self abasement or modesty, but blunt truth. But I will do my best to face myself and admit that I do wrong, and not say...it is okay to come to class unprepared because other techers do it, or schools still want to hire me.
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Sunpower



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: Taipei, TAIWAN

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Japan it's okay.

Even in corporate Japan, to use an example, many older, senior male managers will flirt with, touch and express their attraction to much, much younger, junior female employees.

The relationship isn't exactly the same, I know. But seems similar.

In most cases, the students are adults.

I beleive they (adult students) should be permitted to do what they want to do. Who are you to tell adults not to date other adults?

A lot of adult students want to get involved with thier teachers socially and romantically and visa versa.

I think some of the so called "teachers" whose posts you've read here are a little young in the head still.

In Canada, cops date and sometimes even marry people they meet working on a file. One guy I know eventually married a woman he had pulled over for a speeding ticket.

In university, one of my professors married one of the female students in one of my classes.

A few of you here are pretty naive.

I am always amazed at how many of the "teachers" living and teaching outside their own countries lack worldly experience and true hunderstanding of human behavior.

From reading a few of these posts, I find a fair number of you "teachers" are pretentious and don't appear to have a very good grasp of the practical or real world.

It's pretty arrogant of you to tell other adults who they can and can't date.
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bnix



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Posts: 645

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:13 am    Post subject: So....Sunpower Resorts to Namecalling Reply with quote

First,of course,I do not agree with his position.And his attempt to equate the situation of a teacher dating a student with a cop who pulled someone over for speeding and then begins seeing that person is obviously different...the policeman does not have the person in a class everyday.

While I disagree thoroughly with S.P'ss position,what really bothers me is his resort to namecalling at people who do not agree with him"Who the hell are you arrogant *beep* to tell adults not to date other adults?"

Frankly,I am very surprised the moderators let that through.I thought there were some standards on this forum regarding profanity. Maybe I was mistaken.

At any rate,S.P.'s sorry diatribe pretty much speaks for itself...pretty pathetic,forlorn attempt...and then he has to resort to name calling of the people who do not agree with his position. Rolling Eyes
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Sunpower



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: Taipei, TAIWAN

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above post is another example a "teacher" on this forum who takes himself way, way too seriously.
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bnix



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:25 am    Post subject: S.P.Is Entitled to His Opinions...But Reply with quote

If S.P. thinks I take myself "way,way too seriously"...he is entitled to his opinion.really,I could care less.No"skin off my back".Apparently,he wishes to put things on a personal basis.I do not intend to put things on a personal basis.It solves nothing.And his calling other people"arrogant *beep*"solves nothing,either.And I am still very surprised the moderators let that one through.Namecalling solves nothing.I do not agree with S.P's position,but I am not about to stoop to namecalling and fingerpointing.He is entitled to his opinions,but I think(hope) he can put them across in the future without using terms like"arrogant *beep*". Rolling Eyes
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Sunpower



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: Taipei, TAIWAN

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fine. If you don't agree with my thoughts, fair enough.

As well, I was not thinking of you specifically when I made my comments but of a group of people in general, whose posts that I've read.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:56 am    Post subject: come on guys! Reply with quote

Ok, calm down now. By the powers vested in me by the State of Samara Laughing I hereby sentence all of you to cold showers and reruns of "Leave it to Beaver" followed by "The Partridge Family".

If that doesn't work, I'll start quoting famous lines from "The Brady Bunch" ... instead of Abraham Lincoln.

ItsOnlyMe,
kEnT
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Sunpower



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, aha, haa!!

All right, all right!

Point taken.
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Scott in HK



Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 148

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even in corporate Japan, to use an example, many older, senior male managers will flirt with, touch and express their attraction to much, much younger, junior female employees.

The relationship isn't exactly the same, I know. But seems similar.



What you are describing here seems to be sexual harassment. Which is outlawed in most workplaces. It is so good of you to take something that is considered illegal and use it to justify your position.

I am not thinking of this in moral terms at all. I was always took the dating think to be about teaching ethics. You should not do it. If you do it, the world is not going to end and it does not make you an immoral slug. But it is still wrong...not because of what you are doing with the one student but the possible ramifications to your class and the school you work for.

The adult thing kind of falls through since some of my students in the high school where I teach are 20 years old. We would just be adults having our fun so everything would be okay in Sunpower mind.