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TEAM_PAPUA
Joined: 24 May 2004
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| It comes with experience, qualifications, and expertise. Oops -- sorry, mate. You don't have those. |
That is quite an assumption, even from you.
The globetrotting ESL consultant
Don't forget to pack your 'tightie whities', your dictionary, and your Thorazine - you lunatic! |
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Henry_Cowell
Joined: 27 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: |
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My, my. So defensive and envious is our TP. And he has a fetish for men's white underpants. What could that possibly mean?  |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| But to earn USD70k as a teacher you'd have to live in a really godawful place. |
Actually, it's one of the most desirable places in the world. Hope it's nice where you are, too! |
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jammish
Joined: 17 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Wow, serious respect.
High powered ESL executive who globe-trots around the world earning zillions of dollars yet still has time to post more than 2000 missives on this site.
We are not worthy. |
Looks like ludwig is back! |
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TEAM_PAPUA
Joined: 24 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: * |
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| Actually, it's one of the most desirable places in the world. |
You are working in 'Madame Chow's Fun Palace'?
Do they fly you Business Class? 
Hilarious! |
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Chester
Joined: 15 May 2004
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Sorry TP, but I have a technical degree and teaching cert. I took my teaching seriously, which often made it frustrating when the employers did not! I started teaching with the view of making it a career, but it was not to be. I now work for an engineering company in australia (again). i taught for while here until i got a better job - for me that is. no disrespect to teachers who make a career of it.
Regardless I hope you like your teaching career and good luck to you. |
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TEAM_PAPUA
Joined: 24 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: * |
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| I took my teaching seriously, which often made it frustrating when the employers did not! |
I agree completely, it is frustrating!
I have a degree in International Relations & a Cambridge cert, so I'm stuck relating internationally.
Still, my school is good and I'm several years away from the language mills - however, I doubt I'll ever attain the expertise to secure a job in 'Madame Chow's Fun palace'.
Good luck to you also. |
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2 over lee
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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Location: www.specialbrewman.blogspot.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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TP from your assault of cynical one-liners over on the China board, and your deflated attitude here, it would seem you are quite unhappy with ESL.
That's understandable.
What is not fair is trying to make everybody else in the job feel unhappy and useless. ESl being a dead end career is your view mate not that of the majority! |
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TEAM_PAPUA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:30 am Post subject: * |
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| it would seem you are quite unhappy with ESL |
Not really, just realistic. If you are born in an English speaking country, you have a decent education, and you are not a moron, it is easy to teach ESL. I don't understand why people like you and Henry come over to Asia and believe you are actually doing something incredible and uniquely ingenious.
Get over yourselves - it's the easiest job in the world, unless, of course, YOU are a moron.
I like ESL - without it, I'd have to go out and work for a living. I earn a very good living (though not US$70,000) and I feel very well compensated for what I do and MORE (as Henry likes to say )
BTW, I didn't realise that you were the MAJORITY! |
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happy_me
Joined: 01 Feb 2006
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Location: In the neighborhood of nirvana
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| TEAM_PAPUA I have a degree in International Relations & a Cambridge cert |
Is that why you have been moving from Indonesia to China and back to Indonesia, and never seem to stay in one place?
I do remember that you love to work with EF (moving from one EF to the other in China as well), but you did complain a lot about them, so maybe it�s the only job you can get. And for some one with a degree in International Relations & Cambridge cert. you aren�t very good at writing and most definitely not good at relations, international or other.
Maybe you got confused, and your degree was in Inferior Relations.
I bet you are well compensated working for EF, and in keeping with your skills as well.
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2 over lee
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| I don't understand why people like you and Henry come over to Asia and believe you are actually doing something incredible and uniquely ingenious. |
When did I claim to be doing that - what have I ever said about my job? I freely admit to not having the qualifications Henry has.
Anyway peace and best of luck to you there in Indo - your negative side apart I've enjoyed your photos in the past. |
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Demonicat
Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: Near Shida, Taipei
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hehe, it seems to me that when one first starts teaching ESL, they consider it a monumental job full of import and promise. Then, after a while, they realize that there are fewer and fewer older teachers, and further the job doesn't get much better as you get experience. The sad fact is that unless you are either incredibly lucky or well connected, there isn't a future in TESL. Its a chance to see the world and try new things, BUT the time will come when the party is over and you have few usable skills or experience.
Sorry to sound like I have a "negative side", but after 5 years in this gig, all I can say is, have a second plan ready. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: Re: * |
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| TEAM_PAPUA wrote: |
| Do they fly you Business Class? |
Actually, yes. My company has a policy that employees may fly business class if the trip is ten hours or longer. It makes a huge difference.
Thanks for asking -- and for your evident excitement. |
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TEAM_PAPUA
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: * |
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WILLY - How did you manage to sober up long enough to write that? I read your post, but it doesn't make any sense (are you retarded?)
With Henry (live to teach) and Willy (teach to live) - representing the two extremes of ESL - clearly I cannot win this argument.
So, I offer a virtual handshake to all involved ~ it has been entertaining.
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Winmarr
Joined: 11 Feb 2005
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Location: Melbourne
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These arguments are entertaining, which must be why I keep coming back here, despite not teaching ESL these days.  |
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