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cj750
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| one scenario that i've heard or read (sorry unsure now) somewhere is that an FT's RP was cancelled without his knowledge and he had to pay a substential penalty for overdues on his stay in China...not sure myself wheather that scenario is actual and possible... |
this is also what I hear..but with a grace period of thirty days..
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| L gives a reason to travel or seek yet another employment elsewhere in the country.. |
L visas are not intended to be used during a job search....they are strickly a travel visa..and if yu leave the employ of a school..and you convert to an L...you may have to leave the country to obtain another type of visa...better to find a job and use the grace period..(if in fact there is one..as this is second hand information and I have no reference for the validity of it) but I have never had to give up my visa for a letter ... it may be that new regualtions as we have heard make if more difficult to work after a grace period...for another school without having them apply for a new RP... |
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KES
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The thirty day "grace" period is only if the FT intends to take another job in China. If the FT plans to leave China and has more than 30 days on his FRP then it should be converted to an L visa.
Yes, a FT can have his FRP cancelled and not know it. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| one scenario that i've heard or read (sorry unsure now) somewhere is that an FT's RP was cancelled without his knowledge and he had to pay a substential penalty for overdues on his stay in China...not sure myself wheather that scenario is actual and possible... |
this is also what I hear..but with a grace period of thirty days..
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| L gives a reason to travel or seek yet another employment elsewhere in the country.. |
L visas are not intended to be used during a job search....they are strickly a travel visa..and if yu leave the employ of a school..and you convert to an L...you may have to leave the country to obtain another type of visa...better to find a job and use the grace period..... |
well, if you have that "grace period" available...still advisable not to use it, but convert it to L..new employers are to make sure you've ended your previous "obligations" and that release letters shall be provided....in any case, the story is that employers with their licences to hire FTs are to provide RPs for only the period of time as FTs' contracts are
the L visas issued in China are for traveling and that may not only be for the purpose for traveling from China to abroad, but from one Chinese city to another Chinese city...anyway, that's just a theory
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cj750
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| well, if you have that "grace period" available...still advisable not to use it, but convert it to L..new employers are to make sure you've ended your previous "obligations" and that release letters shall be provided. |
why would you not use it when if you convert and cannot change the L visa to a Z/RP you may have to leave the country...why is that preferable to just maintaining the RP and up dating it at the next job location...if there is 30 days grace ..use it...
In my case though..I have maintained RPs from schools I have left for months...but from what I have heard it is over for that kind of laspe in regulation..still havent seen anything happen to make me beleave that the PSB will cancel a RP without the passport being there..if anyone has had it happen ..then there is the proof...but I have yet to see it..... |
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prof
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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cj,
What is your EFL experience? In what cities? It seems that you you enjoy giving advice (that may be flawed!)
Where is your experience? In what cities? |
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OGFT
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| look through the post and I think you can find all you seek |
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cj750
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Where is your experience? In what cities? |
What kind of experience did you have in mind? |
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prof
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Which cities have you been in?
And for how long?
I think you are giving a biased view on things.
But I'll allow you to comment. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| allow away..but first why do you think i am biased |
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englishgibson
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| well, if you have that "grace period" available...still advisable not to use it, but convert it to L..new employers are to make sure you've ended your previous "obligations" and that release letters shall be provided. |
why would you not use it when if you convert and cannot change the L visa to a Z/RP you may have to leave the country...why is that preferable to just maintaining the RP and up dating it at the next job location...if there is 30 days grace ..use it........ |
sure, but be aware of the need for any pertaining documentation about your previous post in china...any prospective employer in china shall confirm the FT has no beef with his/her previous employer and that with regards to the contract...surely "updating" of an "old" RP at a new location isn't a crime, but technically the "old" RP holder isn't under the "old contract" any more...which consequently means the "old" RP shall not be used even within that "30 day grace period"..can you imagine getting in a "TROUBLE" in that "30 day grace period"??? ..some police departments in china might not understand your reasoning very well and especially after they'd call your previous employer..but this is just a thought 
CJ, I know where you are coming from with your reasoning and you've got a valid point there that some PSB might tell you to leave China with that L visa. Three and a half years ago, I was turned down with my valid work visa from Fujian at a local PSB in Huizhou Guangdong. I had to make a Hong Kong trip then. Times change and locations in China might have varieties of "views" or requirements too. The bottom line here is in my opinion that we should protect ourselves from any possible issues that we might have with Chinese authorities. In this case that we are discussing it looks like either way one could get screwed 
Peace to Chinese authorities
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cheers and beers to FTs in China or coming to China |
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cj750
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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What is your EFL experience? In what cities? It seems that you you enjoy giving advice (that may be flawed!)
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You may have noticed that often when I post I also serve a warning as to the practically of a post and often warn readers that my post or any post should be used strickly for advice and not god's honest truth...the fact is that China will have different realities for each person who engages the employment process..and that each FT should find their won truth about a posting or place..some can make success where others fail..and a good school can become bad with just a few personal changes..
contrary to some beliefs held by members of this board..you cannot tell the intentions of a poster simply from one post..or many for that matter..so it is up to the reader to sift through all the information presented here and to use tibbits as they see fit..
For example ..your post labels my advice as flawed and you ask for validification of my experience..but you fail to appreciate that this is just a forum of advice and commits and as such should be taken with a grain of salt..and that any post incl. yours.... should be examined for intended results the poster desires... so at this time it would be appropriate that I ask you ....by what authority do you have to question any ones post that contains information to consider when your post only question the poster ..
and why would your post a inquiry as to my background (which by the way is all over the net) based on my handing out flawed advice without identifying said advice..
I think we are better served by giving opinions and deciphering those opinions from fantasy and fact and deciding which bit of information to try and use to achieve a goal of employment and a good standard of living on foreign soil... |
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