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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: OFFICIAL WORK PERMIT THREAD Reply with quote

Lots of stuff flying around about work permits for non-EU citizens. I am not in Europe and not a TEFL teacher, but I do have to travel to Poland (back and forth) for business. So I have an interest in this topic.

I spoke to a Canadian friend who has been in Warsaw for some-time. He is quite familiar with the laws on these issues.

non-EU citizens: YOU STILL NEED A WORK PERMIT.

You don't if you are a 1) Foreigner, Native Language Teacher 2) teaching at a University of college. This means if you want to teach at a private school, which most everyone does, you STILL NEED A WORK PERMIT.

I am looking to get a multiple-entry, long-term visa.

If you teach at a Uni or college, you still need a long-term visa, or else you will have to leave every 3 months and come back (risk). By law, you are only allowed to stay 90 days at a time per 6 months. I was told this by the Polish Consolute in Canada a few days ago.

So you still need to have a visa to stay long-term or a work permit teach at a private school.

How to get a work permit? Perhaps somebody wants to tersely lay that out. As for a long-term, multiple-entry visa, you need to get sponsored by someone in Poland and obtain it BEFORE you leave your home country, although, "It may be possible to obtain the long-term, multiple-entry visa while in Poland." Your friend or family member has to go to the immigration office in Poland and obtain the application to sponsor you. They fill it out and give it back. Shouldn't be too much hassle to get your long-term, multiple entry visa. Except, you might have to get this in your home country.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL WORK PERMIT THREAD Reply with quote

freudling1000 wrote:
I spoke to a Canadian friend who has been in Warsaw for some-time. He is quite familiar with the laws on these issues.

non-EU citizens: YOU STILL NEED A WORK PERMIT.

No you do not. Under the regulations which came into effect on September first of this year (Dz.U. No. 156, poz. 1116) there is no need for a foreigner teaching their native language to have a work permit. Read it for yourself at http://www.mpips.gov.pl/index.php?gid=339&news_id=501
Forgive me for taking the word of the ministry about what their regulations say over that of your friend who has been in Warsaw for some time.

freudling1000 wrote:
You don't if you are a 1) Foreigner, Native Language Teacher 2) teaching at a University of college. This means if you want to teach at a private school, which most everyone does, you STILL NEED A WORK PERMIT.

That information is now out of date. Under the previous regulations (i.e. the ones passed three years ago) people you describe did not need a work permit.


freudling1000 wrote:
How to get a work permit? Perhaps somebody wants to tersely lay that out.

Teachers do not need a work permit if they are teaching their native language. Terse enough?
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't read Polish. Also, even if you don't need a work permit, which I am still not convinced, YOU CAN ONLY STAY FOR 90 DAYS PER A 6 MONTH PERIOD. YOU STILL NEED A LONG-TERM VISA.
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Grrrmachine



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can we just delete this thread, seeing as the original post was so inaccurate?
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The point is to make it accurate. What can you contribute?
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

freudling1000 wrote:
I can't read Polish. Also, even if you don't need a work permit, which I am still not convinced, YOU CAN ONLY STAY FOR 90 DAYS PER A 6 MONTH PERIOD. YOU STILL NEED A LONG-TERM VISA.


http://translatica.pwn.pl/index_i.php?a=001


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Rozporządzenie Ministra Pracy i Polityki Społecznej w sprawie wykonywania pracy przez cudzoziemc�w bez konieczności uzyskania zezwolenia na pracę określa: kto, w jakich sytuacjach i pod jakimi warunkami może liczyć na zatrudnienie w Polsce. Minister Pracy i Polityki Społecznej Anna Kalata podpisała je 30 sierpnia 2006 r. Rozporządzenie weszło w życie 1 września br. ( Dz.U. Nr 156, poz. 1116)

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The directive of the Employment Secretary and the social policy in the matter without the need to get a work permit is determining making the work by foreigners: who, in what situations and under what conditions can count on employing in Poland. Minister of the Work and the social policy Anna Kalata signed them on 30 August 2006 the Directive came into effect on 1 September this year (Dz.U. No. 156, poz. 1116)

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z obowiązku posiadania zezwolenia na pracę będą m.in.:
obywatele Ukrainy, Rosji, Białorusi i Niemiec, zatrudnieni legalnie przez polskiego pracodawcę do prac rolniczych, jednak nie dłużej, niż na trzy miesiące w ciągu p�ł roku;
cudzoziemcy spoza UE/EOG (m.in. Ukraińcy) czasowo delegowani przez pracodawcę do wykonania danej usługi;
absolwenci polskich szk�ł medycznych, odbywający staże podyplomowe;
nauczyciele język�w obcych, jeśli język, kt�rego uczą jest ich ojczystym;

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from having the duty work permits will be among others: citizens of Ukraine, Russia, Belarus and Germany, employed legally by the Polish employer for agricultural jobs, however not long, than for three months within half a year; foreigners from outside UE/EOG (among others Ukrainians) temporarily delegated by the employer for making the given service; graduates of Polish med schools, serving postgraduate traineeships; teachers of foreign languages, if the tongue which they are teaching is of them native;

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studenci, skierowani w ramach wsp�łpracy publicznych służb zatrudnienia; członkowie zarząd�w firm z obszaru UE/EOG; obywatele Republiki Turcji wraz z rodzinami, kt�rzy mieszkają w Polsce od co najmniej pięciu lat i pracowali legalnie od lat czterech; studenci studi�w dziennych odbywanych w Polsce, w czasie przerwy wakacyjnej; stali korespondenci zagranicznych medi�w; cudzoziemscy pracownicy naukowi w jednostkach badawczo-rozwojowych; uczestniczący we wdrażaniu system�w uzbrojenia określonych w odrębnych umowach; pracujący na rzecz posł�w do parlamentu UE.

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directed as part of employing the cooperation of public services students; members of boards of directors of companies from UE/EOG area; citizens of the Republic of Turkey together with families which are living in Poland for at least five years and worked legally for four years; students of full-time courses in higher education undergone in Poland, during the holiday break; correspondents for foreign mediums stood; foreign researchers in research-developmental individuals; participating in introducing systems of the weaponry described in separate agreements; working for members of parliament UE.


Thanks for this thread Ryan.
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this mean you can stay on your non-EU passport longer than 90 days within a 6 month period blueteeth?
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Pollux



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you just ask your well-informed Canadian friend?
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, blueteeth is more reliable.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

freudling1000 wrote:
Does this mean you can stay on your non-EU passport longer than 90 days within a 6 month period blueteeth?


Yes Ryan. It means just that.
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redsoxfan



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This all seems a bit odd. The Polish authorities require absurd amounts of paperwork for everything, and we are to believe that they require no documentation or anything indicating someone is a foreign language teacher with the right to reside here? Does one show a copy of a work contract to the border guards? Do you just tell them, "Oh don't worry about me, I'm a teacher"? Surely it must be stamped by a Notariusz, etc. Or does one still need a karta pobytu? I think the latter is the case. If that's true, you still need to be hired somewhere, and then go through the hoops to get the right to reside here. I suppose the only real advantage is that one could find a job in Poland and not have to return to his country to get a work permit, because it's possible to get a KP here, but not a work permit.
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Alex Shulgin



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redsoxfan wrote:
This all seems a bit odd. The Polish authorities require absurd amounts of paperwork for everything, and we are to believe that they require no documentation or anything indicating someone is a foreign language teacher with the right to reside here? Does one show a copy of a work contract to the border guards? Do you just tell them, "Oh don't worry about me, I'm a teacher"? Surely it must be stamped by a Notariusz, etc. Or does one still need a karta pobytu? I think the latter is the case. If that's true, you still need to be hired somewhere, and then go through the hoops to get the right to reside here.


You foolish foreigner! You didn't really think that you could live with out first obtaining a permit did you?! Of course you need a karta pobytu! Even EU citizens still need one of those in order to live in Poland.

As far as I can tell, the deal is still that an applicant must show that he/she has enough money to live in Poland. That can either be a cash in the bank/a pension/a generous grand-parent, as it has always been, or a job which pays you enough money not to starve to death. If that job is as a teacher of your native language then you won't need a work permit.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even EU foreigners need a Karta Pobytu. The only exception is if they are on the management board of a company and leave Poland at least every two weeks. This could be hard to prove or disprove, because EU passport-holders don't always get a stamp at the EU border.

The advantage of this is that your tax only needs to be witheld at 30% throughout the year. the disadvantage is that you can get a whopping bill at the end. The truly prudent would put the money in a high-interest accout and withdraw it at the end of the tax year.
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freudling1000



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly do non-EU and EU citizens have to do to legally work in Poland? ...office contact, paperwork, where the paperwork needs to be completed, no "I think you have to..."

If you want a long-term, multiple entry, get it at your local Polish consulate before you leave for poland. As for working, no idea, still, how to go about that.
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redsoxfan



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:

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You foolish foreigner! You didn't really think that you could live with out first obtaining a permit did you?! Of course you need a karta pobytu! Even EU citizens still need one of those in order to live in Poland.


No, hence the tone of my post.

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As far as I can tell, the deal is still that an applicant must show that he/she has enough money to live in Poland. That can either be a cash in the bank/a pension/a generous grand-parent, as it has always been, or a job which pays you enough money not to starve to death. If that job is as a teacher of your native language then you won't need a work permit.


The deal was never simply that a foreigner must show that he has enough money to support himself. For non-EU citizens, one needed a promise of work (and thus eventually a work permit) before being eligible for a KP. There's a list of conditions that make one eligible, available at the Urzad Wojewodzki. Basically, you're saying that simply writing "I'm an English teacher" on your KP application will suffice because of this new law. It seems all too simple, and I'll believe it when I see it.
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