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Lost motivation for language study

 
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: Lost motivation for language study Reply with quote

I was telling my wife about my frustrations yesterday with university student motivation in Japan. Many students here seem to make very little progress over time. Some of this is due to;

inadequate number of language classes in a week

some language classes that only focus on grammar-translation (yakudoku), generally taught by Japanese English instructors

classes with too many students for much real teacher-students interaction time, especially on an individual basis

poor media resources, even at technology schools

poor access to computers on the school grounds, especially for part-timer lecturers

But, some of the things that students can control are poor;

doing homework or classwork at all or making an effort to do it well

focusing on task and not
-doing homework for another class
-checking a schedule for another class
-texting a friend
-sleeping
-not realizing that a language class is just that, a chance to use that language rather than your L1 (so students often start doing a task in Japanese, even though they are often reminded to do it in English)

So I am curious, is this a problem in the country you teach in (if you're not in Japan), and why does it seem so prevelant here in Japan, this poor motivation in language classes? Is it only certain departments that are more affected by it (business seems to be one of the more common ones)?
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure some of them "lost" it - many of them never had it and take the courses only because are required.

Kind of like when I took my statistical methods class . . .
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mondrian



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Lost motivation for language study Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
I was telling my wife about my frustrations yesterday with university student motivation in Japan. Many students here seem to make very little progress over time. Some of this is due to;

inadequate number of language classes in a week

some language classes that only focus on grammar-translation (yakudoku), generally taught by Japanese English instructors

classes with too many students for much real teacher-students interaction time, especially on an individual basis

poor media resources, even at technology schools

poor access to computers on the school grounds, especially for part-timer lecturers

But, some of the things that students can control are poor;

doing homework or classwork at all or making an effort to do it well

focusing on task and not
-doing homework for another class
-checking a schedule for another class
-texting a friend
-sleeping
-not realizing that a language class is just that, a chance to use that language rather than your L1 (so students often start doing a task in Japanese, even though they are often reminded to do it in English)

So I am curious, is this a problem in the country you teach in (if you're not in Japan), and why does it seem so prevelant here in Japan, this poor motivation in language classes? Is it only certain departments that are more affected by it (business seems to be one of the more common ones)?


Yes!

The University had inadequate facilities as it was pouring its money into expanding the dormitory accommodation in order to get more students.
The freshmen students (with few exceptions) had a total lack of self-discipline typical of a Chinese High School education.
I have to say that this was not one of your top flight Chinese Universities though. Is yours in Japan?
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several of the universities are supposed to be top by Japanese standards (of course), but of course at the moment I am not teaching in the English department, but am surprised that the business management students are sooo uninterested in English.
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Chris_Crossley



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Several of the universities are supposed to be top by Japanese standards (of course), but of course at the moment I am not teaching in the English department, but am surprised that the business management students are sooo uninterested in English.


I think that this total lack of interest is down either to brazen arrogance, pure and simple, or else to that age-old problem with the Japanese mentality: insularity. Perhaps they are deluding themselves into believing that they will never leave Japan and will be taken care of by the company which they think they will work for for the next 3-4 decades until they retire. This delusion is undoubtedly fuelling their unfortunate disinterest.

However, even that kind of working ethos is under threat, and the Japanese will have to look outwards, rather than inwards, albeit in a non-imperialistic sort of way. China is fast becoming the Asian economic giant, and many Japanese probably believe that they might as well be learning Mandarin Chinese - while millions in China are learning English!

Clearly, for a lot of people who are totally disaffected with the didactic, teacher-knows-everything-and-is-never-to-be-questioned philosophy that has prevailed in many Asian countries for centuries, the message has been somewhat slow in getting through. Attitudes need changing - and they need to be changed fast. Otherwise, their country is heading for being relegated to the second or even third division in the Asia Business League.
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