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Calories
Joined: 17 Jun 2005
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Location: Chinese Food Hell
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| Pre-marital sex is not just illegal but, ILLEGAL that's why there is a *beep* house on every corner er, I mean hair salon with pink lighting. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Is the medical exam always required in order to teach? |
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Calories, you really nailed it down on here  ..maybe you could ask those "beep house" hair salon workers whether they have any medical exam "booklets" to do your hair
Peace
Anyway, I am sorry to have intruded on here, but searching for this medical exam info around...i've just found a few threads floatin' around  ...there are two stickies on a similar topic 
Cheers and beers to the hard working FTs in China as well as newcomers  |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: Cavalier Attitude |
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EnglishGibson and Calories have taken a singularly cavalier approach to what is an extremely serious problem. Please read below.
First, the OP has claimed that his bloods tests in China were irregular and that he suffered from some kind of a "nasty bug" and that he has been "cured" in the United States. What follows will surely cause serious concerns.
Today, Thursday, October 12, 2006, workers acting under instructions from the Chinese Red Cross and the Center for Disease Control came to the apartment in Southern China where the Original Poster lived for one month.
These workers were issued surgical masks, surgical bonnets, surgical gowns, surgical gloves and surgical shoe cover before they entered his residence. They were scrubbed with 60% isopropyl alcohol when they left his residence.
First, they took out and burned every piece of cloth in the Original Poster's apartment -- his sheets, his mattress, all of the furniture coverings, towels, drapes, etc., etc. The entirety of the household linens so to speak were removed --- not by hand -- but by using special metallic poles -- and then they were placed in special bags and taken away to a special incinerator for infectious diseases.
The toilet itself was totally saturated with an 85% bleach and sodium chloride mixture. The entire apartment was then sprayed using a special disinfectant spray machine with a special solution that is used when disinfecting rooms where people with hypercontagious diseases such as AIDS and syphilis B have been present.
Any and all items in the apartments that might have been handled by the OP, such as all of the kitchen utensils, were also taken out and destroyed.
Thus, I cannot comment as to why the OP failed his medical examination in China. I can only comment on what has been observed today in the residence of the original poster in the city in Southern China where he lived for one month.
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dave_merk
Joined: 22 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| HFG, do you have some special knowledge about this case that the rest of us don't? I'd like to hear about what's going on, myself. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: Crazy Internet People |
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| HFG, do you have some special knowledge about this case that the rest of us don't? I'd like to hear about what's going on, myself. |
Indeed I do and I think that it's about time for the truth to be spoken.
The original poster, who is from Washington, D.C., contacted me through a PM on this very board. He claimed to be a Chinese-American who was having a rough time getting a job in China because of his ancestry and because of his lack of teaching experience.
In those days, I was still helping newbies that asked me for help on this Board. I don't do that anymore.
Anyway, I opened the doors for him BIGTIME at a university in Southern China where he otherwise would have never landed. They offered him a job and paid him the highest RMB they could based on his Columbia University experience (read later), etc., etc.
He arrived on schedule. He was not a Chinese-American. He was a Filipino with a Chinese grandmother (even if that is true, I don't know).
He did not graduate from Columbia but from some other no name university in the American heartland.
On the second day after his arrival, he asked for and received the assistance of a very kind, but very green, Chinese teaching assistant to take him shopping. Everyone understood that this was for just a few hours. He disappeared with this boy for nearly 16 hours, as I was told, and frankly, there was a great deal of consternation to put it politely, as the lad was quite underage for certain activities in which the OP engages. The newly-arrived teacher was scolded and he went Prozac-type ballistic, in a way and manner out of a Joan Crawford / Betty Davis Grade B psycho movie.
I should mention that on his teaching expedition he "forgot" his wallet at home, at least according to the Chinese teaching assistant, and the poor Chinese teaching assistant, who is probably THE poorest student at that university in Southern China, had to pay everything. He subsided this guy's day-out and probably spent RMB 1,000. AND HE WAS NEVER REIMBURSED. Nice rip-off.
The original poster gave the university in Southern China a "letter" from a "doctor" in Washington, D.C. stating that the original poster was in good health. Somehow, for some reason, the Chinese authorities questioned the validity of this letter.
Next, two weeks later, the original poster went for his medical examination. He claims that he was bounced / rejected / whatever because of his bloodwork.
That is not true. He was rejected PRIOR to that. At some point between the initial drawing of blood and the kidney scan (I understand that it was at the x-ray scan), the examining physicians noticed something EXTERNALLY that gave them the gravest concern. The entire medical staff immediately went into infectious disease precautionary procedures and the original poster was told at that point that he would be refused.
In the province in Southern China where this medical examination is done, results for bloodwork take at least 72 hours before they are returned from the laboratory to the hospital.
When the results reached the hospital at the beginning of the following week, they confirmed to the examining physicians what they had seen externally. At this point, a deportation order was issued by the PSB based upon the advice received from the Center for Infectious Diseases.
The original poster was scheduled to leave the PRC on Sunday, September 25. He was to be accompanied to the airport by the PSB, the FAO of the school and a medical authority from the Health Department.
However, earlier that week, the original poster pulled a midnight runner. The police issued a all-points bulletin for his arrest and seizure and immediate deportation. He apparently had left earlier through Hong Kong perhaps.
He never returned the RMB 1,000 to the poor student. A complaint was also lodged with the PSB about this. He is carrying a highly infectious disease, possibly the form of AIDS that does not respond to treatment, and he pulled a midnight runner.
It is my absolute understanding that a permanent exclusionary order from China has been issued against him by the PSB and that this has been transmitted to all Consulates. As I said previously, if the Consulate fails to check this list and issues a visa, the OP may be arrested upon his arrival at his port-of-entry. Barring that, he for sure will be arrested and deported when his notice of registration of abode is submitted to the PSB.
This was a very big lesson for me about helping newbies on this Board.
And there you have what happened.
And now he wants the kindness and cooperation of all on this Board to help him determine ways to enter China without a medical....
A BIG WARNING TO ALL...... |
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cj750
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: Beijing
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: |
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conservative, restrictive: premarital sex, for example, is ILLEGAL though it is now widely tolerated (but just so you know, my girlfriend informed me of her own accord that living together with her was "illegal", which surprised me because so many Chinese of both genders openly flout this rule!).
And gay sex also is on the book as illegal - again it is widely practised and ignored by the authorities.
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It is my understanding that being gay in China is not against the law..and that living together is also not against the law..but to stay in a hotel with someone who isn't your wife will invite inquires from the police as to the occupation of the young lady...or that having gay sex in public is covered under other statutes..
In April, 2001, homosexuality was deleted from the Chinese Classification of Mental Disorders.
In 1997, the deletion of "hooliganism" from criminal codes was considered by many as the de facto decriminalization of homosexual acts.
China and Japan both have literary references to socially accepted homosexual traditions in their histories.
One scam that affect many of the gay visitors is the hustler will meet someone and take them to a hotel..then demand money for not going to the police..but if you call their bluff..by the time you arrive at the cop shop..they will have disappeared along with the threat of police action... |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: Being Gay |
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conservative, restrictive: premarital sex, for example, is ILLEGAL though it is now widely tolerated (but just so you know, my girlfriend informed me of her own accord that living together with her was "illegal", which surprised me because so many Chinese of both genders openly flout this rule!).
And gay sex also is on the book as illegal - again it is widely practised and ignored by the authorities.
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It is my understanding that being gay in China is not against the law..and that living together is also not against the law..but to stay in a hotel with someone who isn't your wife will invite inquires from the police as to the occupation of the young lady...or that having gay sex in public is covered under other statutes..
In April, 2001, homosexuality was deleted from the Chinese Classification of Mental Disorders.
In 1997, the deletion of "hooliganism" from criminal codes was considered by many as the de facto decriminalization of homosexual acts.
China and Japan both have literary references to socially accepted homosexual traditions in their histories.
One scam that affect many of the gay visitors is the hustler will meet someone and take them to a hotel..then demand money for not going to the police..but if you call their bluff..by the time you arrive at the cop shop..they will have disappeared along with the threat of police action... |
Dear CJ,
Good post...I agree with you on all matters.
But I just wanted to remind our readers that this particular thread is not about being gay, although that issue is surely present here.
It is about deceit, about duplicity, about lack of respect for the host country, and above all, about endangering the lives of completely innocent bystanders, both morally and physically.
The OP's conduct was less-than-stellar, and by pulling a midnight runner, and then forcing the PSB to issue an all-points bulletin, well, he ruined any chances that he might have ever had at rehabilitation, so to speak.
As I wrote, his apartment in GuangZhou had to be completely disinfected by a special team from the Chinese Red Cross and it was frightening to watch the trepidation of the workers as they did their job.
And at the end of the day, it just makes the Chinese think badly of America. |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| A lesson learned here, folks. Don't always trust everyone who asks for advice here. For all we know, they are far from being truthful. The OP sure had me fooled there. Any wonder he never posted again? |
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Steppenwolf
Joined: 30 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: |
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That was a lesson, indeed!
Just a little confused: in your latest post you write he had an "apartment in guangzhou"; where did this guy get a job in China, HunanForeignGuy?
Not Guangzhou, was it? I thought it was Changsha. |
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danielb
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Steppenwolf, I'll join you in your confusion. HFG, was this the second FT with AIDS you have helped of recent times? The last one you mentioned was a Brit.
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Dear No_Exit,
I completely feel for you. 1000%.
I learned a big lesson on this Board. I don't help newbies in China anymore. Not ever.
First there was this Canadian girl. She begged me and begged me to help her get a job. On this board. And I did -- because otherwise she was not so hireable (not diploma, no TESOL, no experience, greener than a green bean). As soon as she got the job, I received buckets of sh** all over me. It's like the kindness never happened. So now she's in the frozen extreme far north in a village of 5,000 persons were the temperature hits -45 C. in winter.
Then, no_exit, my worst experience. Another one on this Board begged me for a job. A British. I went out of my way to help him -- as an act of kindness, like you. Little did I know that he would fake his medical exam in the UK (must have a doctor friend). Once on the ground here, they made him retake his medical as a matter of routine procedure. HIV + to the extreme. And God knows how many people were exposed to it. He was rapidly put on plane back to Mother England.
And then my other act of human kindness -- a Middle Eastern, non-native speaker, again from this Board. Begged and begged for help in PMs. So I helped. Got a job through a friend and just didn't bother to show up.
So from now on, when I see a foreigner laying prostrate on the ground (aka on this Board), well, either one of two things : I won't help at all (that is a given) or I will simply not help at all.
Be careful, no_exit, I have learned this lesson the very hard way. Most of the trouble I have had in China has come to me from the crazy trash that lands up here, not the Chinese.
HFG |
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HunanForeignGuy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: DanielB |
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Dear DanielB,
Nice to see that you are still yapping around here. I thought that you had left us for better climes.
Frankly, DanielB, after all the trash that you have written about me over the past months on this board, most of which has since been removed by the Moderator, I think that it would be an EXTREME courtesy on my part to even consider to answer any posting of yours.
As for the topic at hand, all concerned would be well advised to consider TW's pertinent post on this subject. |
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danielb
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry you see it that way HFG. I just wondered if you were talking about two different people. Were you? |
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Areut
Joined: 17 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Crazy Internet People |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| dave_merk wrote: |
| HFG, do you have some special knowledge about this case that the rest of us don't? I'd like to hear about what's going on, myself. |
Indeed I do and I think that it's about time for the truth to be spoken.
The original poster, who is from Washington, D.C., contacted me through a PM on this very board. He claimed to be a Chinese-American who was having a rough time getting a job in China because of his ancestry and because of his lack of teaching experience.
In those days, I was still helping newbies that asked me for help on this Board. I don't do that anymore.
Anyway, I opened the doors for him BIGTIME at a university in Southern China where he otherwise would have never landed. They offered him a job and paid him the highest RMB they could based on his Columbia University experience (read later), etc., etc.
He arrived on schedule. He was not a Chinese-American. He was a Filipino with a Chinese grandmother (even if that is true, I don't know).
He did not graduate from Columbia but from some other no name university in the American heartland.
On the second day after his arrival, he asked for and received the assistance of a very kind, but very green, Chinese teaching assistant to take him shopping. Everyone understood that this was for just a few hours. He disappeared with this boy for nearly 16 hours, as I was told, and frankly, there was a great deal of consternation to put it politely, as the lad was quite underage for certain activities in which the OP engages. The newly-arrived teacher was scolded and he went Prozac-type ballistic, in a way and manner out of a Joan Crawford / Betty Davis Grade B psycho movie.
I should mention that on his teaching expedition he "forgot" his wallet at home, at least according to the Chinese teaching assistant, and the poor Chinese teaching assistant, who is probably THE poorest student at that university in Southern China, had to pay everything. He subsided this guy's day-out and probably spent RMB 1,000. AND HE WAS NEVER REIMBURSED. Nice rip-off.
The original poster gave the university in Southern China a "letter" from a "doctor" in Washington, D.C. stating that the original poster was in good health. Somehow, for some reason, the Chinese authorities questioned the validity of this letter.
Next, two weeks later, the original poster went for his medical examination. He claims that he was bounced / rejected / whatever because of his bloodwork.
That is not true. He was rejected PRIOR to that. At some point between the initial drawing of blood and the kidney scan (I understand that it was at the x-ray scan), the examining physicians noticed something EXTERNALLY that gave them the gravest concern. The entire medical staff immediately went into infectious disease precautionary procedures and the original poster was told at that point that he would be refused.
In the province in Southern China where this medical examination is done, results for bloodwork take at least 72 hours before they are returned from the laboratory to the hospital.
When the results reached the hospital at the beginning of the following week, they confirmed to the examining physicians what they had seen externally. At this point, a deportation order was issued by the PSB based upon the advice received from the Center for Infectious Diseases.
The original poster was scheduled to leave the PRC on Sunday, September 25. He was to be accompanied to the airport by the PSB, the FAO of the school and a medical authority from the Health Department.
However, earlier that week, the original poster pulled a midnight runner. The police issued a all-points bulletin for his arrest and seizure and immediate deportation. He apparently had left earlier through Hong Kong perhaps.
He never returned the RMB 1,000 to the poor student. A complaint was also lodged with the PSB about this. He is carrying a highly infectious disease, possibly the form of AIDS that does not respond to treatment, and he pulled a midnight runner.
It is my absolute understanding that a permanent exclusionary order from China has been issued against him by the PSB and that this has been transmitted to all Consulates. As I said previously, if the Consulate fails to check this list and issues a visa, the OP may be arrested upon his arrival at his port-of-entry. Barring that, he for sure will be arrested and deported when his notice of registration of abode is submitted to the PSB.
This was a very big lesson for me about helping newbies on this Board.
And there you have what happened.
And now he wants the kindness and cooperation of all on this Board to help him determine ways to enter China without a medical....
A BIG WARNING TO ALL...... |
Wow scary  you never know about people. |
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7969
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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1. HFG, you've said in previous posts that noone should be outing anyone (by name) on this board. yet in a post up above you've gone even further:
on oct. 11th you said this:
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| I will make no comment as to the reasons for the Order. That is not my business. I can only explain the administrative steps of what would happen here to this particular person. |
on oct. 12th you said this:
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| Thus, I cannot comment as to why the OP failed his medical examination in China. I can only comment on what has been observed today in the residence of the original poster in the city in Southern China where he lived for one month. |
on oct 21st you said this:
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| He disappeared with this boy for nearly 16 hours, as I was told, and frankly, there was a great deal of consternation to put it politely, as the lad was quite underage for certain activities in which the OP engages. |
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| A complaint was also lodged with the PSB about this. He is carrying a highly infectious disease, possibly the form of AIDS that does not respond to treatment, and he pulled a midnight runner. |
first you wouldnt say anything then you just decided to spill the beans on this guy. why? why are you revealing such potentially damaging medical and personal lifestyle information on this guy? why should we believe you? disgraceful! dont know about anyone else, but i'm inclined to report your posts to the mods.
2. why is it that anytime HFG is on here about someone he's "helped" out, it turns out to be a major disaster for the individual he's helped? seems to be a recurring theme, a few of his stories are in the not too distant archives here, none of them seem to have ended well.
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| This was a very big lesson for me about helping newbies on this Board. |
future newbies might be well advised to steer clear of HFG.
btw HFG, i'll second what others have asked. is rexgardn the same poster as the Brit with AIDS you previously helped out? what happened to that guy?
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Areut
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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since you "know" so much about this case, why are you revealing such potentially damaging medical and personal lifestyle information on this guy? disgraceful! dont know about anyone else, but i'm inclined to report your posts to the mods.
btw HFG, is rexgardn the same poster as the Brit with AIDS you previously helped out? what happened to that guy?
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