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StevieM
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 Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: Without a Degree - where to find work? |
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Myself and my future wife hope to arrive in Asia around March 2007, we are happy to teach for English 12 months in South Korea, China or Japan, my TWO questions to you all are:-
1) I am 37 years old (UK Citizen), I've been working for past 20 years, amd spent last 2.5 years working with young homelss people as well, I completed a 36 hours (12 weeks) Intro to TESOL course, but I DON'T have a degree - where could I find work?
2) My future wife (21/10/06) is Polish (UK resident) and has been speaking English for about 10 years, she passed an exam allowing her to work using English as primary language, she has worked in UK for past 3 years (plus USA for 3 months), has degree in Tourism, completed a 36 hours (12 weeks) Intro to TESOL course and has taught MANY people English, but she's not a "native" speaker - where could she find? |
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Calories
Joined: 17 Jun 2005
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Location: Chinese Food Hell
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Japan and Korea won't let you teach without a degree. China is where all us non-degree holders go. |
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saint57
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Location: Beyond the Dune Sea
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| Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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China is your spot. If your wife's passort is Polish she may encounter some major difficulties. Schools will hire her, but they will try to pay her a very low wage. Her best bet is to work many part-time gigs. I knew an Eastern European who was doing alright for herself in Shanghai. She spoke Chinese well and was very agressive.
You should have no problem and don't accept a dirtbag's wages. Many people I knew without a degree were paid much more than me. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Japan and Korea won't let you teach without a degree. |
Sorry, but you are wrong about Japan.
Many people teach without degrees here. Here's how.
1. You need a bachelor's degree or 3 years of teaching expeience for the work visa.
2. Working holiday visa (the OP is too old for that, though)
3. Dependent visa (if the OP's wife gets a job, he could get a DV, and with special permission could work PT. No degree needed.)
4. Cultural visa (if someone studies a craft like pottery or martial arts; PT work allowed, no degree needed)
5. Spouse visa (if someone is married to a Japanese)
So, you can see, the OP has only one option (#3). |
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StevieM
Joined: 03 Jun 2006
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Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: Working without a degree |
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So we could definately work Japan if my Polish wife got a working holiday visa?
How long does visa take, can she apply when she gets there?
China's wages seem to be about 1/3 of what you get in Korea or Japan, does this seem right?
How do they know someone is not a native english speaker, is it by passport? |
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Sgt Killjoy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Might want to think about Thailand for a year. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| So we could definately work Japan if my Polish wife got a working holiday visa? |
In Japan, Poland doesn't have a working holiday visa agreement. Don't know about the other countries.
People who ARE eligible need to apply in their home countries, and it takes about two weeks.
Wages are one thing. Cost of living is another. I'd suggest looking into the China and Japan forums for this information.
Employers probably look at passports for their initial decision as to whether someone is a native English speaker. If you write otherwise in a cover letter, you will obviously need to explain how. In Japan, they usually consider 12-13 years of your education must be completely in English. |
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JohnConnor
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Location: Crystal Peak
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Sgt Killjoy wrote: |
| Might want to think about Thailand for a year. |
Dude, he has no degree. You need a degree for a work permit in Thailand. You hear the news recently in October? Visa runs aren't allowed anymore. And schools have been raided recently punishing foreigners with a fine of 30000 BHT or deportation, or both. Japan, or China is this guy's only option. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| His chances of working in Japan are, as I hope I've pointed out, pretty slim. |
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