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marrsy



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
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Location: Boston

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:34 am    Post subject: Life as a TEFL Reply with quote

Hi All � some questions if you don't mind... I've been thinking of doing the TEFL gig for a while but have a few apprehensions: FYI � I�m 32 years old and have been running my own business for 11 years and I�m burnt out so I�m taking the TEFL and looking to teach again � did a stint as a music teacher after college�

I was looking into Korea and China maybe Japan but not till later on�
Korea - seems (from my limited research) to be going through an anti American phase (maybe not new - I just started looking) but they pay better and I've gotten an offer there from Elite English Academy - checked the black and gray list and found nothing about them - anyone know them?

In China I�ve been contacted by the Yunnan College of business management - anyone know them -

Both countries living wise how safe did you feel before going and how easy is it to bring clothes, guitars, what have you - are there lots of custom hassles etc -
The reason I ask is that I have no immediate family and no one to wonder where I am �
So although I've been all across America and most of Europe I've never ventured into Communists areas and going all alone with no contacts - not sure if it's the smartest thing to do - so I guess I'm curious about all your first thoughts and experiences - how many went blind and how is it living in a communists or near a communist country (north Korea) �
From what I've read - I'm a new member but have been reading the post for awhile and I can't find many problems outside of some people being or acting stupid - I'm used to traveling alone but up and moving is big choice �
What to bring, should I sell or rent my own house here in Boston? Put my stuff in storage? - Did people bring most of there own belongings or just buy clothes in the new country etc - did most of you know anyone or go with others your first trip -
I know a lot of things I take for granted here won't be available or expensive but I can adapt to most situations good and bad. I'm just looking for a more cultural experience I won't get from just traveling for a few months. Sorry lots of questions - and anything I might have forgotten feel free to enlighten me please - Thanks in advance
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Bayden



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no problems bringing stuff in, just make sure you're able to carry everything in one load.
Customs are no problem (can't imagine why you think bringing a guitar would be a problem)
As for living in a communist country, China just has a different system of Government, otherwise it's really no different than anywhere else.
Living NEAR North Korea is the same as living on the other side of the world from North Korea, it has no impact on daily life.
Bring the essentials and buy here, whatever you do, don't bring most of your belongings.
Rent your house. It's an appreciating asset and something to go back to,selling it would be a little foolish. (Take plenty of photos of your house, surrounding area, shopping centre, friends and family, they make great talking points)
Your biggest problem is going to be the language and getting around initially. Read the menu? forget about it. Ask directions? forget about it. Signs in English? Forget about it.
Very few people in the service industry (restaurants, bus, train station, less than 5 star hotels, travel agents etc) or in general really, speak english.
Travel as light as possible, take care of your passport and money and don't forget to bring the most important thing of all, your wits, and keep them about you.
Sounds rough, but remember, many do it.
Traveling alone in China is generally no problem. The language issue aside, most people are friendly, genuine and helpful. (Except most busy people at ticket booths as a rule)
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marrsy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks Bayden - great answers - i didn't think it'd would be aproblem with the guitar but was wondering how to get it over - read some bad things about Ups in china - alot of things I know I can buy, instuments not sure if I could get or even if there worth bringing - god idea about the talking point - pictures and stuff - thanks again - anyone know of the business school in Kunming
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denise



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Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding what clothes to bring or buy--pardon my impertinence, but how big are you? If you're smallish by western standards (or just plain small), you can find clothes there. If you're larger, you'll have a harder time shopping there.

You've said you have no immediate family, but what about trusted friends? Pack some boxes of things you might want, and as needed, have your friends mail them to you. Or if you know your address or school's address in advance, you can ship them to yourself. Just to keep your baggage manageable on your flight over... (This from the Queen of Overpacking! Sad )

Don't overdo it bringing teaching materials. If you have a couple of favorite books or activities, bring those, but any half-decent school should have a resource library.

As far as putting stuff in storage--if you're only planning on staying overseas for a year or so, it's a good idea. If your year or so becomes an indefinite stay, you can run into problems. (My own stuff is apparently still boxed up in San Francisco at--ooooops!-- my ex-boyfriend's expense.)

Make sure you get your bank statements, credit card statements, etc. on line.

And don't worry about taking off for the unknown alone. A lot of us do it! Your first contacts and friends will likely be the other teachers. They can help you get settled in.

Good luck!
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marrsy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey D - That's a good point didn't think about size - I'm 6 ft about 170 or so and not very worried about traveling alone more if something went wrong in China I'd be barely able to communicate with them and be without alot of resources back here outside of the consulate... but hey life's an adventure right Thanks for your advice and if you need anything picked up in San Fran let me know and I'll stop by on my way to China Laughing
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marrsy, I don't want to scare you but I would be careful in China. I would not recommend going off the normal tourist path until you learn some Chinese.

There were two Aussis thrown in jain a few years ago due to lack of communication.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From one internet article,
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Since 29 March 1993, when Jiang Zemin was appointed president of the People's Republic of China, 48 journalists have been jailed, most of them after being given severe prison sentences. Police repression against dissident journalists has even been stepped up over the past year: two dissidents were imprisoned for making contact with pro-democracy web sites, foreign journalists were prevented from covering ceremonies to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre in June 1989, and some were arrested. On 22 January 1999, Jiang Zemin ordered the state-run media to "pay particular attention to social order and political stability." Meanwhile, legislation was introduced to punish "anyone who deliberately publishes, prints, copies or distributes material inciting people to overthrow the government and the socialist system or to divide the country". In March, the Beijing authorities stopped issuing new publishing licences "until the second half of the year". A month earlier Jiang Zemin had said potential factors of destabilisation in China should be "nipped in the bud."

Ten Chinese journalists are in prison at the moment. One of them, Wu Shishen, a journalist with the daily Hong Kong Express and the Xinhua news agency, was sentenced to life imprisonment on 30 August 1993. Jiang Zemin had personally requested a severe penalty. Wu Shishen's "crime" was giving a foreign correspondent a copy of a speech due to be made by the president to the People's Assembly a few days later.


Bayden wrote:
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As for living in a communist country, China just has a different system of Government, otherwise it's really no different than anywhere else.


ha.
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marrsy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey JZer - thanks for the response - yeah I need to pick up more of the language - actually i was originally thinking of South Korea but found more anti american problems there although they exist every where at the moment... How do you like Sk -
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will find anti-Americanism in every country. Not going to Korea because of that reason would be silly. Korea might be an easier place than china to start off and the money will certainly be better. If you go to Seoul, that would be even easier.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You will find anti-Americanism in every country. Not going to Korea because of that reason would be silly. Korea might be an easier place than china to start off and the money will certainly be better. If you go to Seoul, that would be even easier.


The most anti-Americanism is probably in Seoul but I would say anti-Americanism comes more from other teachers than Koreans. That has been my experience but I am sure that other people have had different experiences.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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You will find anti-Americanism in every country. Not going to Korea because of that reason would be silly. Korea might be an easier place than china to start off and the money will certainly be better. If you go to Seoul, that would be even easier.


The most anti-Americanism is probably in Seoul but I would say anti-Americanism comes more from other teachers than Koreans. That has been my experience but I am sure that other people have had different experiences.


Yes, but living in Seoul is much easier than a small city for someone who hasn't lived overseas before. Many more things to do. I lived in Seoul and a small city, Seoul seemed like a dream, but people can really be in your face.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Many more things to do. I lived in Seoul and a small city, Seoul seemed like a dream, but people can really be in your face.


I guess it just depends whether one can entertain themselves or need others to entertain them. I have been living in a town of 50,000 but will move to Gwangju next year.

I have made Korean friends here and have someone to drink with most Thursdays and Fridays. I have joined the local baseball team and keep busy. Of course I am from the country side, so entertaining myself is nothing new.
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Bayden



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
From one internet article,
Quote:
Since 29 March 1993, when Jiang Zemin was appointed president of the People's Republic of China, 48 journalists have been jailed, most of them after being given severe prison sentences. Police repression against dissident journalists has even been stepped up over the past year: two dissidents were imprisoned for making contact with pro-democracy web sites, foreign journalists were prevented from covering ceremonies to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre in June 1989, and some were arrested. On 22 January 1999, Jiang Zemin ordered the state-run media to "pay particular attention to social order and political stability." Meanwhile, legislation was introduced to punish "anyone who deliberately publishes, prints, copies or distributes material inciting people to overthrow the government and the socialist system or to divide the country". In March, the Beijing authorities stopped issuing new publishing licences "until the second half of the year". A month earlier Jiang Zemin had said potential factors of destabilisation in China should be "nipped in the bud."

Ten Chinese journalists are in prison at the moment. One of them, Wu Shishen, a journalist with the daily Hong Kong Express and the Xinhua news agency, was sentenced to life imprisonment on 30 August 1993. Jiang Zemin had personally requested a severe penalty. Wu Shishen's "crime" was giving a foreign correspondent a copy of a speech due to be made by the president to the People's Assembly a few days later.


Bayden wrote:
Quote:
As for living in a communist country, China just has a different system of Government, otherwise it's really no different than anywhere else.


ha.

Daily life is no biggie, I don't suggest you go around writing newspaper articles criticizing the central govt. though.
Anyone with this level of paranoi hasn't spent much time here.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Daily life is no biggie, I don't suggest you go around writing newspaper articles criticizing the central govt. though.
Anyone with this level of paranoi hasn't spent much time here.


Actually I was laughing at the fact that you said it was no different than back home. People back home usually don't get put in jail for stating their opinions. Not to mention that people back home usually are not after my money all the time.
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marrsy



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last thing I'd be doing is writing political stuff - songs sure not political though - Seoul is where I read about the protests but I figure it's gotta be safer than New York - anyway none of this would stop me if I choose to go I've been trying toget an idea from people who are there and not form News articles I read thanks again
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