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vikdk
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Englishgibson - the quality of your posts makes the rest of us feel like nobel laureates in literature  |
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englishgibson
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:51 am Post subject: |
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thanx
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| the rest of us feel like nobel laureates in literature |
i surely believe "the rest of you" know what that feeling's like
keep it coming tiger as nobel as you feel
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cheers and beers to "the rest"  |
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yamahuh
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Karaoke Hell
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:17 am Post subject: |
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I am currently working for Web in Jianyin, Jiangsu province.
The school I was working for recently became part of the Web Intl empire and so far everything is pretty good. The old school (Stenford language school) was decent, a great and helpful office staff, full multi-level curriculums that are provided for all F.T's and mostly enthusiastic students in small easily managed classes (teaching a maximum of 15 students sure as hell beats those monstrous classes in the public school system in my opinion).
When we became part of Web we received pay increases but are working no more hours than before, our apartment is paid for and we receive bonuses for completing 6 month and 12 month contracts (in lieu of plane fare). The atmosphere is fun and usually interesting, we do special day trips about once per month and have 'Western celebration' days such as Hallowe'en and Thanksgiving.
All in all I'd have to say that from my limited experience with them so far it is a pretty well run company and I'd have no qualms recommending them as an employer in this location. That feeling was shared by a few teachers I met in Wuxi back in the spring who were working for them and making 9,000 per month after a year and thoroughly enjoying themselves.
As with anything else there are good and bad schools under one umbrella but if you do your research and pick your location well you should have no issues.
To all the nay-sayers out there; while I am admittedly working for Web I have not been coerced, paid or in any way persuaded to post these remarks. It's not a crime to say good things about the place you work if you enjoy it.
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prof
Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 741 Location: Boston/China
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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It's not a crime to say WEB sucks.
But it's an honest opinion to state that anyone with any qualifications should avoid this scam! |
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yamahuh
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Karaoke Hell
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure that you are working much less / making far more money than I; from most of your posts it seems that you enjoy belittling anybody who doesn't agree with your work philosophy or who doesn't demand as much money as you. That's fine, knock yourself out if it makes you feel good but while you're at it please enlighten me as to how exactly this is a scam.
If you sign a contract with a company and they honour their side of the bargain then how are you getting scammed?
If you agree to work a maximum of 25 hours per week for 7,000 RMB per month and later find out that you could have made more or worked less elsewhere are you getting scammed?
Nope, you should have done more research that's all.
What exactly does the statement "anyone with any qualifications should avoid this scam" mean?
I have a 200 hour Tesol certificate from a Canada Tesol accredited training school, a B.A from a fine Canadian University and 6 'O' levels from a British 6th form college plus 8 years of part time non-language related teaching/coaching experience in Canada and 2 years experience teaching in China.
Perhaps I should have e-mailed you for an employer recommendation but at the time I accepted this position it was a perfect fit for both parties. I'm enjoying myself, my employer thinks I am doing a great job and will have no qualms about writing me an excellent reference letter, much like all of my previous employers.
Take your elitist attitude somewhere else and stop judging everybody else by your own grandiose standards. Not everyone over here is as consumed/ obsessed by their own feelings of self worth as you appear to be. |
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yamahuh
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Karaoke Hell
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Max Power you have a PM, if you're interested in a position there's one available here. |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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I know several people who either are or have been consultants at Web. There are no teachers at Web, only consultants.
Web is not authorised to employ real teachers as teachers.
But HEY, this is China, the land of something for everyone. |
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yamahuh
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Karaoke Hell
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Well I'll freely admit that by definition I am not a REAL teacher i.e I don't have a B.Ed. But I've got to think that if Web wanted to hire someone with a B.Ed they certainly could; as long as they're authorised to hire foreign 'experts' and provide them with working visas then what's to stop them hiring someone with a teaching degree?
I'm not trying to get into a pi ssing match here I'm genuinely curious about why you say they aren't authorised to hire REAL teachers. |
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Babala

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 1303 Location: Henan
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: |
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I agree with yamahuh on this. I've said it before and I'll say it again, it really annoys me that a few posters on this board insist on putting teachers down because they work for a chain school. Like yamahuh, I have a degree and TEFL. This does qualify me to work in China. I also have my FEC like many other posters here. I make a good salary, work in nice environment and teach students who are a pleasure to teach. Please explain why it is that you think that is so bad?
yamahuh,
It was my boss who recently took over your center. He's a really nice guy. |
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yamahuh
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Karaoke Hell
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Good to know Babala, like you I don't understand why so many 'real teachers' on this board feel it necessary to denigrate and ridicule other people's decisions to work where they choose.
China is a huge country with plenty of opportunities for everyone to teach wherever they see fit. Working for chain schools isn't something I've done before but if the agreements made by both sides are honoured then I see no reason why it can't be mutually beneficial.
I guess some people just have to sneer at others to make themselves feel better about their own decisions or situations
Small minded people are everywhere. |
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Mister Al

Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 840 Location: In there
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Too right Yamuluh
Scam seems to be Prof's favourite word these days. It's a scam, scam scam.....poor dear seems to be feeing a bit para....me thinks. Com' on Prof, answer the question. Where is it? |
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Mister Al

Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 840 Location: In there
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Oops..Yamahuh  |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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And then there are those of us who know the Web teaching materials very well, the lack of accomplishment of the Web students, and the high fees Web charges for "Privates" using materials designed for large corporate groups.
And you call yourselves "teachers"? PLEASE!
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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yamahuh
Joined: 23 Apr 2004 Posts: 1033 Location: Karaoke Hell
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| Malsol wrote: |
And then there are those of us who know the Web teaching materials very well, the lack of accomplishment of the Web students, and the high fees Wen charges for "Privates" using materials designed for large corporate groups.
And you call yourselves "teachers"? PLEASE! |
Malsol with all due respect you can't paint everyone with the same brush. Your sweeping generalizations are misinformed at best and downright condescending at worst.
The school that I was with before we became Web was using essentially the same system as Web is using, actually it was based on the Web system. During my month back in Canada my wife took a girl who had essentially zero English skills apart from the ability to introduce herself and by the time I returned she was taking her shopping and using her as a translator to order in restaurants. That's the most extreme example but
I'd say that was an accomplishment wouldn't you?
Don't kid yourself, many of these kids are making huge strides probably due to the fact that we DON'T do the dancing panda routine. I've worked in the public school system here teaching classes of up to 80, surprisingly I've seen greater improvements in my classes of 12 - 15 at Web than I did there.
The teaching materials?
Yeah, like anything else you have to sort the good from the bad; some of my personally developed lesson plans weren't exactly amazing first time through, but that's why you adjust and amend isn't it? We supplement the Web lesson plans with our own material to make them more interesting and useful but some of them are quite good to start with. We use them as a framework within which we teach such things as pronunciation, sentence structure, phonetics, idioms, synonyms, antonyms etc.
I don't really care what Web charges, I agreed to a salary that is the best I've earned in China in two years. When I worked in Canada I was employed by a huge German multi-national corporation that had earnings of 21 billion Euros in 2002.
I only made $45,000 though.
Web is my employer, not my partner. They take the risks, rent the space, cover overheads and expenses, pay taxes and salaries, I show up for classes on time and do my job professionally and for that they pay me a salary. What's the issue?
Do I call myself a teacher?
Why, 'Yes' I do actually. I realize that I'm only an oral English teacher so I suppose that in your eyes I'm about as 'real' a teacher as pond scum but I'm not a druggie backpacker / alcoholic western refugee, I take pride in my job and strive to do it well.
Why all the hate Malsol?
Having a hard time with people not bowing down reverentially to your blinkered, myopic opinion?
Why is it that neither you or your equally self important colleague 'Prof' have answered either of my questions? |
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