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Glenski
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Miyazaki wrote:
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Glenski:
I don't like you.
I don't like your tone.
And I don't like the information you provide on this forum because it's wrong. |
I can't help you with the first one.
I didn't set the tone; you did.
As for the last item, prove it. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Location: Hong Kong
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I teach in Korea.
12 hours a week.
5 months of paid vacation every year.
classroom sizes are 15 students or less.
In otherwords.. easy to grade.. and feel like I'm on perpetual vacation here at times. Love it.
However.. I have MA in something unrelated.. and would be curious about living out a similar life back in the U.S. doing the same thing.. whats the best way for that? Get second MA in TESOL? Or would I need a PhD to even consider a similar lifestyle? Or would this be nearly impossible to duplicate back in the U.S. regardless of what education I pursued? |
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White_Elephant
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I teach in Korea.
12 hours a week.
5 months of paid vacation every year.
classroom sizes are 15 students or less.
In otherwords.. easy to grade.. and feel like I'm on perpetual vacation here at times. Love it.
However.. I have MA in something unrelated.. and would be curious about living out a similar life back in the U.S. doing the same thing.. whats the best way for that? Get second MA in TESOL? Or would I need a PhD to even consider a similar lifestyle? Or would this be nearly impossible to duplicate back in the U.S. regardless of what education I pursued? |
I feel qualified to answer your questions. First, because I have almost the same contract as you in Korea but I teach far more students per class. Second, because I have an MA in Higher Education Administration and Humanities. I spent the better part of two years studying the dynamics of Higher Ed. in America. The answers to your questions is a resounding NO! Here is why:
1st. You'd be hard pressed to find any American university or college that will offer you five months of paid vacation. You would be fortunate to get a full summer break. A lot of professors must work the whole summer cranking out research and teaching a summer class or more.
2nd. A Ph.D is not likely to get you any more vacation time. That's for certain! As a professor back in America, you will be judged by the amount and quality of your research, which has a high potential of bringing either prestige to the university or research dollars or both. You might only teach five hours a week but you'll be spending over 45 hours per week behind a desk writing those books and publications not to mention all the meetings, conferences etc.
3rd. An MA in TESOL is obviously going to make you a much better candidate for a professorship. Don't expect the post to be that of the simple life. There are a lot of universities that are willing to hire someone with at least an MA in TESOL, Ph.D preferred. I know because I read the Higer Ed. job openings every week in all the major publications. Even if you got the position, you'd be walking around a university where most all of your colleagues have their Ph.D, so you can imagine the politics. I've seen the worst of this type of politics resulting in professors fighting and leaving for other universities. I'm not saying that we don't experience politics in Korea. However, you stand to lose much more back in America when the politics become so unbearable that you hate going to work every day. Think about uprooting from your house and morgage in one state to go to another...  The OP is talking about being fed up with all the bickering and it can get very fearce. I've seen and heard it before. |
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Tiger Beer
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Thank you for the thorough response.
You helped me out quite a bit in sorting myself out on this.
Sounds like I'm best off staying abroad.. but it wouldn't hurt at all to get some kind of MA in TESOL as well in the process.
PhD sounds out.. I like teaching quite a bit (but not too many hours a week either though!).. and researching and writing 40-45 hours a week doesn't sound all that appealing.
What about a community college or lesser-known colleges.. how much would pay be for MA in TESOL? Would I even need a MA in TESOL? Or could I pull off a job in one of those with an unrelated MA and TESOL certificate?.. but still teaching TESOL? Just curious..
I also saw a POST-Masters certificate in TESOL thats on-campus at a university in the U.S. Looks like its much shorter than doing a second MA degree. Another option nonthless.. wonder it would have the same validity.
http://schooloftesl.com/certificatesandendorsement/sugraduateprograms.html |
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thelmadatter
Joined: 31 Mar 2003
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Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!
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My school is looking for someone with a Masters in ESL or related for the coming summer. Its not a uni, we are a private technical school tho we do grant "licenciaturas" (bachelor's) and higher. We looking for someone to work with the current project to redesign all of our courses to more modern methodology, starting with the basic/intermediate courses.
Contact me if you are interested. |
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sidjameson
Joined: 11 Jan 2004
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Tiger, your contract sounds great. Good for you. Do you mind saying how much you get paid for that perpetual holiday of yours? After tax of course! |
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White_Elephant
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
but it wouldn't hurt at all to get some kind of MA in TESOL as well in the process.
What about a community college or lesser-known colleges.. how much would pay be for MA in TESOL? |
Pay is all over the board depending on the employer, your experience and the country.
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| Would I even need a MA in TESOL? Or could I pull off a job in one of those with an unrelated MA and TESOL certificate?.. but still teaching TESOL? Just curious.. |
Your question is a bit strange. You already have a job, right? That answers your question. You don't need a TESOL cert. to get a job but sometimes it helps if it is a job requirement. Also, it should help with your teaching techniques.
Yeah, I saw the certificate program. I think you'd be better off getting a Cambridge DELTA, IMHO. |
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Jizzo T. Clown
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
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Location: performing in a classroom near you!
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
What about a community college or lesser-known colleges.. how much would pay be for MA in TESOL? |
That largely depends on which part of the country you're in. There was a big debate over this not too long ago on this very board, I believe.
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Would I even need a MA in TESOL? Or could I pull off a job in one of those with an unrelated MA and TESOL certificate?.. but still teaching TESOL? Just curious..
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Truth be told I landed my uni job with a Bachelors in Business Admin and two years' experience abroad, but then I got lucky. Teacher qualifications really depend on the needs of the IEP program--if they're desperate for teachers (most aren't!), then your other MA should be fine. Go for the less prestigious / smaller ones when you hunt for a job.
It sounds like you've got my dream job! As WE said, you won't come close to that in the US. If you teach ESL in higher ed, chances are you won't have ANY time off over the summer, as that's the busiest time of the year! We get a week off in the summer, a week for Thanksgiving, two weeks for Christmas, and another week at our discretion each year...and that's it. |
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Tiger Beer
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Thanks for all the great responses.
To the person who asked.. I make around $2600/month to which I pay $500 in rent.
Sounds like I'm best off right where I'm at. |
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guangho
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| I just had another thought for the OP. Colleges/Unis offer tons of study abroad programs- can professors teach abroad that way? |
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