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leggova
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 Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: Question for pl in NYC working fulltime in ESL - Not school |
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Hi All,
I am an Australian (soon to get a green card) who has over 10 years ESL experience overseas. I have worked in Slovakia and Hong Kong for the most part. For the last 8 years I have worked in HK, 3 years at the British Council and 5 years at a university in Hong Kong.
I have the CELTA, DELTA and an MA in Applied Linguistics.
I am looking for fulltime work. I would like to work in the university system or in a private language school that has a good reputation, NOT the school system...
I have been doing some research online and came across Embassy CES. I would be interested in working for them as they run the CELTA and I would be interested in getting into teacher training.
Some question about Embassy CES:
Are they actually a "professional" place to work for? What would they pay? Do they just employ seasonal teachers or is there fulltime work? What kind of package do you think they might offer?
Some questions about working in the university / community college system:
How easy is it to get a fulltime position with benefits? What kind of package might they offer? What kind of holidays do they provide?
Any other advice / help would be much appreciated!!!
Thanks so much.
Miranda
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taikibansei
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Question for pl in NYC working fulltime in ESL - Not sch |
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| leggova wrote: |
Some questions about working in the university / community college system:
How easy is it to get a fulltime position with benefits? What kind of package might they offer? What kind of holidays do they provide?
Any other advice / help would be much appreciated!!!
Thanks so much.
Miranda
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I taught ESL for two years in NYC, full-time at a university during the day, and part-time at a community college at night. I also still keep in touch with a number of people (faculty and administrators) working in both types of institutions in the area.
While part-time jobs are easy to find, full-time positions with benefits are very difficult to get. The usual pattern is to start off working part-time at several places at once, then apply for any full-time positions that become available. In-house promotions to full-time are the rule for NYC cc/university ESL positions.
That said, while I was originally hired part-time, the sudden departure of a full-time faculty member enabled me to walk into a full-time university post immediately. Your background should also be sufficient to get you a full-time job eventually--probably sooner than later. However, you'll find it challenging making ends meet in NYC on even a full-time salary. Even as a single guy in the mid-90's, I needed the part-time job to afford living in or near the city....
Holidays will differ with each institution. Typically, you'll have a week off in both the fall and spring, about two weeks off in the winter, and two months off in the summer. However, many faculty will work summers in order to supplement their incomes.
Hope this helps. |
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leggova
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks so much. That helps a lot.
I imagine that a lot of universities / colleges have different reputations. As someone in the know, would you feel able to indicate some good places to start looking?
From my experience all employers are not created equally!  |
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taikibansei
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| leggova wrote: |
Thanks so much. That helps a lot.
I imagine that a lot of universities / colleges have different reputations. As someone in the know, would you feel able to indicate some good places to start looking?
From my experience all employers are not created equally! |
Check out the Chronicle, HigherEdjobs, and MLA for full-time job searches.
http://chronicle.com/jobs/100/
http://www.higheredjobs.com/default.cfm
http://www.ade.org/
For part-time jobs, I always just called up the department and asked if they had any openings. August was a great time for these calls--you could always count on encountering at least one department head in a panic over being understaffed. 
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leggova
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Another question
How many hours teaching are you required to do fulltime at a university per week?
Wondering how easy it would be to take on part time work along with a fulltime job... |
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taikibansei
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| leggova wrote: |
Another question
How many hours teaching are you required to do fulltime at a university per week?
Wondering how easy it would be to take on part time work along with a fulltime job... |
Depends on the university and the position. Regular faculty positions range from 1/1 to 5/5 loads, meaning you'd teach from one to five classes per semester. However, there are often ESL programs separate from, yet affiliated with, these universities and colleges. The teachers there have different teaching loads (and are rarely considered regular faculty).
With your qualifications, the best you'd be able to get is a 4/4 regular faculty load (i.e., four classes per semester); most likely, your full time position would be at the affiliated ESL program. For regular faculty, a 4/4 (or 5/5) teaching load is considered a challenging gig. Teaching full-time in an ESL program can be worse--or better--depending on the program. Make sure you know the conditions going in.
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leggova
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Thanks for that.
I am not sure what you mean in terms of hours when you say 4/4. Do you mean you see the students twice a week, ever week for a semester? Roughtly how long are the classes? I imagine that most programmes have a variation, so just generally.... |
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taikibansei
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| leggova wrote: |
Thanks for that.
I am not sure what you mean in terms of hours when you say 4/4. Do you mean you see the students twice a week, ever week for a semester? Roughtly how long are the classes? I imagine that most programmes have a variation, so just generally.... |
Actually, I did explain it very clearly--four courses per semester. How that breaks down weekly depends, of course, on the college/university/ESL program and the schedule (MWF or TTH or M-F) you receive.  I.e., there's no "general" answer to give....
By the way, I've provided you links (e.g., to the Chronicle, its many essays and excellent public forum) which include numerous explanations of these things. You may consider looking this basic information up there yourself before asking here.
In case you can't find the direct Chronicle link, it's here:
http://chronicle.com/jobs/ |
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leggova
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Geee....I asked you what average hours people work...you say you have worked fulltime...you say 4/4. I have no idea what that means. I indicated that I was aware of differences all I am asking is what you have found from your experience. So what teaching hours were you asked to do?
I have looked extensively at the links you gave me and there is no indication of this on any of the websites.
Thanks again for the help that you have given me. I am sorry if my responses aren't to your liking. |
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taikibansei
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| leggova wrote: |
| Geee....I asked you what average hours people work...you say you have worked fulltime...you say 4/4. I have no idea what that means. I indicated that I was aware of differences all I am asking is what you have found from your experience. So what teaching hours were you asked to do? |
Well, let's see, do you want the full-time ESL position (university affiliated program) which had me at 25 hours of teaching a week (which became 5 hours per week after I became academic supervisor)? Or, the university which had me teach 16 hours per week (full time)? Or, how about the university which had me teaching 6 hours per week full time (a wonderful schedule that...with a very nice salary). Or, the university which granted me tenure--9 hours/week in the fall and 6 in the spring (a great gig, let me tell you).
Choose the schedule from above that best works for you.
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| I have looked extensively at the links you gave me and there is no indication of this on any of the websites. |
It's called doing a search. I just tried it on the Chronicle forum...and got 24 pages of relevant posts.
Look, my apologies for the tone. Good luck to you. |
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leggova
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yes...many posts but nothing about hours...which was actually my question.
I have actually just applied to a job that looks right up my alley...fingers crossed |
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