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Do teachers over 45 years stand any chance of work?

 
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ghost



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Do teachers over 45 years stand any chance of work? Reply with quote

Should teachers over the age of 40-45 years bother to apply to teach in Japan with the corporations like Nova, Aeon, etc....?

Most of the jobs seem to involve younger students and the teaching style seems to focus more on games and activities and the like, and some of the older 'traditional teachers' may not have experienced that kind of style.

Of course, the websites claim that older applicants may apply, but in reality are older applicants offered jobs with the corporations? Looking at the brochures and websites, one does not notice any foreign teachers who appear to be older than around 25 years old maximum. Reality check?

Japan has a reputation of revering the old for their ''wisdom" and experience in life, but the Japanese students whom ghost met in Taiwan did not appear to appreciate the older teachers (those Japanese were studying Mandarin with ghost in Taiwan) at all! So what people say, and the real situation appear to be different.

Ghost has not worked in Japan, but spent a school year teaching in Taiwan, and found that older teachers were mostly appreciated by older students in the same age group. One suspects that in Japan, the same situation would apply? If one is wrong - then so much the better!

Any older applicants out there who actually got hired at those ages or above? Feedback welcome.

Glenski appears to be a rare exception to the rule, and he had Japanese language skills in his favor straight off the plane, as he graduated from the Japanese Language course in Seattle prior to heading out to the land of the rising sun. So at least, he was able to communicate in the language on his arrival, facilitating his integration.

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski appears to be a rare exception to the rule
I don't think I'm all that rare. I got here at 41, not exactly a Dorian Gray.

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and he had Japanese language skills in his favor straight off the plane
Weak skills.

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as he graduated from the Japanese Language course in Seattle
I don't know where you got your information, but that one is totally incorrect. Heck, I don't even know if there is such a course in Seattle. I lived there 7 years, but all I got out of Seattle prior to coming here was a TESL certificate. My Japanese language skills came from living in Tokyo for half a year and taking a university night course twice a week for a year in Minneapolis.

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facilitating his integration.
Trust me, "integration" was partly a success due to minor Japanese skills (my interview was conducted in Seattle completely in English). It was also due to previous work experience that gave me some insight into business and social culture here and studying and researching a lot on my own back in the USA. Perhaps being 41 gave me some maturity to accept certain ways here, over that of the attitudes of some younger people, but as it's said here, that's all "case by case". Integration was also due to doing research on jobs and the EFL business here 8 months before I left the USA. Not meaning to toot my own horn here, but it DOES make a difference if you know what you are facing, to some degree, as I've tried to say for the past 8 years.

Are "older" teachers accepted here? Sure. I worked at a high school where the half dozen foreign teachers were 35 to 45 years old. Yes, they'd been here quite a while, so that doesn't show how someone that age can just leap into work here, but I've also said that mainstream schools don't usually take people fresh off the boat anyway.

Come on in. Show some seriousness, learn what you are going to face, learn on the job, and work your way up/through. Nobody said it's easy, whether for the "young'ns" or us "older" folks, but it can be done. You've already got a headstart with teaching in Taiwan.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eikaiwas like Nova have large numbers of older students, including housewives learning English as a hobby, salarymen who have to learn English for their job, and retired salarymen who are trying to keep their minds active.

I also used to teach a lot of classes at "culture centres" in department stores etc. and those classes consisted almost entirely of people over 50- up to about 80 in some cases. Different from teaching younger people but often a lot of fun.

At my time at Nova I came across quite a few teachers in their 40s, although the majority of teachers are probably mid- to late-twenties.
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SeasonedVet



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Ghost,
I have worked with teachers who were in their 40's and it seemed that they were respected both by the young as well as older more mature students.
Older students seem to be quite comfortable with older teachers as they are in a similar age group. Experiences might be similar. I have had students who were in their 60's and 70's and sometimes 80's.
I think they might feel comfortable having an older teacher sometimes. Not that they don't want to see the 23 and 25 year old's, they do too but it might be refreshing for them sometimes to communicate with someone who has had more life experiences due to age.
The teachers I have met here in Japan were as young as 20 and as old as 50's.
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canuck



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Do teachers over 45 years stand any chance of work? Reply with quote

You can find a job in Japan. However, most of the people teaching here will be much younger than you are. Find something that appeals to you and apply.

ghost wrote:
Ghost has not worked in Japan, but spent a school year teaching in Taiwan, and found that older teachers were mostly appreciated by older students in the same age group. One suspects that in Japan, the same situation would apply? If one is wrong - then so much the better!


Why do you refer to yourself in the 3rd person? Rolling Eyes
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J.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:09 am    Post subject: Started here at 45 Reply with quote

I started here at 45, not at Nova but at a smaller language school, and I found that most students liked having a teacher who had a broad range of interests and awareness of life, so that she could empathize with them. I found children, teens, and older students alike were more interested in my teaching skills and ideas than my age. In a nutshell, if you're a good, or evolving to be a good teacher, you are needed here and will be recognized and respected as such by your students, though the administration may not care a hoot as long as you can keep pulling the students in. There's a certain amount of selling involved in working for a business here, or even a school for that matter, so you'd better be personable and like people and be prepared to be flexible and able to challenge yourself in sometimes rather repetitive and low level English. It's more about your suitabilility for this kind of teaching and your willingness to learn than about your age.
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AndyH



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It isn't as easy for a middle-aged person to land jobs here as it is for a person under 30, and that is something that has influenced my decision to return to the US at the end of my current teaching contract, as I am approaching 40.
There are some schools, my present employer included, who do not look at age as a reason to descriminate, and that's something I respect.
However, I think your bigger concern is trying to wean yourself from referring to yourself in the 3rd person. A perspective employer might frown upon that in a job interview. Wink
Good luck!
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