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Acoreana
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 Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: :-) |
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Thanx again Medina!
Well, I guess you are right about Casa living...but I think I should be ok. I lived in southern India for 13 months and I dont think Casa could be as bad as that!!
I'll look around and try to find a school that just needs a TELF/TESL teacher and keep my fingers crossed...
Where in Morocco are you? Casa? (if you dont mind me asking)!! |
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Africaexpert
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: Not crazy about Casa |
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I think Rabat is more live-able than Casa but Casa is a nice place to visit esp. if you live in Rabat.
At the ALCs if you have adequate education and experience you should be able to make enough to live on. I saved, and had a full-time housekeeper, lived like a queen. Food is cheap unless you want to go to restaurants all the time.
You can also get tutoring gigs that are fairly lucrative. |
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Acoreana
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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thanx a lot for the info africaexpert!! very helpful!
i heard from friends that they prefered rabat more than casa.
what do you mean by "alc's" by the way?? |
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linguisticfool
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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He's referring to the american language centers... i too am thinking of teaching in morocco. if i find anything new to supplement all the info i've gathered from VS Medina and Africa expert and others i'll definately let you know. BTW i too will be marrying a moroccan woman  Congratulations |
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Acoreana
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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hi there! and congrats to you and thanx for the info!
i'm actually a female so i will be marrying a moroccan man. do you already live in morocco or will be moving there at some point?
i checked out the posts at www.africaguide.com and found it somewhat helpful! are you esl/efl or a university graduate??
i would truely appreciate any info you come across!! i have emailed the george washington academy in casa...waiting for them to reply!
many thanx, keep in touch! take care! |
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linguisticfool
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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unfortunately i don't live there but i am thinking of an eventual move there. i'm a university graduate but i'm two semesters shy of my MATESOL (finish in summer).
i'm going to morocco this december so i'll find out what i can for you and for myself. emperical knowledge definately has it's advantages  |
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Acoreana
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That sounds great!!!
Many thanx!
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards! |
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Londonlover
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: Jobs in Morocco |
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Can I try and help clear up the confusion between the acronyms TEFL and TESOL.
There is some overlap. The 'T' stands for teaching of course, but technically EFL is English taught in a country where it is NOT the native language (think Brits and Yanks and Aussies teaching English in Thailand, Spain, Turkey and that's EFL) whereas ESOL is English taught to foreigners in a country where it is spoken as the native language (e.g. the U.K. or U.S.) ESOL is often associated with teaching English to immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers.
As I said there's some overlap and people complicate things and talk about teaching a class of international students in a London school as EFL, but I think what I said above is the 'official' distinction. |
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Africaexpert
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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TESOL is actually Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages, and is an internationally known organization for the teaching of English.
www.tesol.org |
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laura1d
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hello,
Well, I read what Africa expert said and thought that he/she was talking rubbish as I have always agreed with Londonlover's interpretation of the acronym.
So, with smoke coming out of my ears (joke - I am not that into it all) I took myself off to the font of all knowledge - Wikipedia.
So, I now return with my tail figuratively between my legs to report that Africa expert is correct.
The following is pasted from the oracle web site! TESL is second language, not TESOL!!!
EEK! Sorry for doubting you Africa expert - whoever you may be!'
Laura
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ESL (English as a second language), ESOL (English for speakers of other languages) and EFL (English as a foreign language) all refer to the use or study of English by speakers of other languages. The precise usage, including the different use of the terms ESL and ESOL in different countries, is described below. These terms are most commonly used in relation to teaching and learning English, but they may also be used in relation to demographic information.
ELT (English language teaching) is a widely-used teacher-centred term, as in the English language teaching divisions of large publishing houses, ELT training, etc. The abbreviations TESL (teaching English as a second language), TESOL (teaching English for speakers of other languages) and TEFL (teaching English as a foreign language) are all also used.
Other terms used in this field include EAL (English as an additional language), ESD (English as a second dialect), EIL (English as an international language), ELF (English as a Lingua franca), ESP (English for special purposes, or English for specific purposes), EAP (English for academic purposes), and ELL (English language learner). A somewhat similar term, LEP (Limited English Proficiency), is also used in this field. |
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Africaexpert
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| btw, the 2007 TESOL convention will be in Seattle, WA Mar 21-24 and that's where the ALCs interview for teaching positions. |
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Londonlover
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| Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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TESOL may happen to be the name of an organisation too, but actually TESOL is a generic name for TeachING English to Speakers of Other Languages.
How come universities all over the world offer MA degrees in TESOL- and the content is all about applied linguistics and has zilch to do with a commercial organisation that happens to use the generic name in its title. |
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Africaexpert
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That shows your complete ignorance regarding TESOL! It's not a commercial organization in the least.Yes there are MA programs called TESOL as well as TESL. Some people go for linguistics or actual English degrees as well.
But TESOL is the pre-eminent international organization in this field - and you must be a newcomer, eh? |
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Londonlover
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Nice to see you concede that the acronym TESOL can indeed stand for something you had previously decided it couldn't.
As for the organisation being not in the least commercial, I notice that you have to pay to join the damn thing- if that's not commercial I don't know what is.
Incidentally no newbie here. This is my 7th year in EFL teaching and I've only just learnt that there is actually a commercial organisation called TESOL. I am not being presumptuous but I would say it needs to be rather more 'pre-eminent'.
Keep up the good work giving them free adverts on this website. How much are they paying you? |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: Re: Jobs in Morocco |
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| Londonlover wrote: |
Can I try and help clear up the confusion between the acronyms TEFL and TESOL.
There is some overlap. The 'T' stands for teaching of course, but technically EFL is English taught in a country where it is NOT the native language (think Brits and Yanks and Aussies teaching English in Thailand, Spain, Turkey and that's EFL) whereas ESOL is English taught to foreigners in a country where it is spoken as the native language (e.g. the U.K. or U.S.) ESOL is often associated with teaching English to immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers.
As I said there's some overlap and people complicate things and talk about teaching a class of international students in a London school as EFL, but I think what I said above is the 'official' distinction. |
I think that Londonlover is confusing TESOL with TESL.
TESOL is, as he rightly explains, "teaching English to speakers of other languages."
But TESL is "teaching English as a second language."
The two are quite different.
English to speakers of other languages (ESOL) can be taught anywhere in the world.
English as a second language (ESL), however, can be taught only in English-speaking areas such as the UK, US, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada, Ireland, and similar places where English is a native language.
In effect, therefore, TESOL is the union of both TEFL and TESL. It is English taught anywhere -- in native-English-speaking as well as non-native-English-speaking areas. That is why the term was coined, I believed: to be a broader term than either TEFL or TESL. |
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