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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 1676 Location: CHINA-at-large
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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BELOW, about my friends at HeartMath, is in the spirit of the influential confluence I mentioned ABOVE---
*Quantum Physics
*Consciousness Evolution
*Age of Aquarius, with Piscean "I believe" being replaced by Aquarian/Gnostic "I KNOW"
Having a spirit of gratitude/thankfulness to......
to whatever generates harmonic brain/heart waves...
...is good for one's BE-ING.
SunRise ceremonies meet this need...beyond "BELIEF."
In Native American (Rolling Thunder's Meta Tantay Community)and Buddhist (City of 10,000 Buddhas) communities, I came to KNOW the benefit/TRUTH of the sacred orgasmic gratitude to All-That-Is etc.
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Does your heart sense your emotional state?
Stressful feelings may increase your risk of developing heart disease. Researchers at the Institute of HeartMath explain the connection
NBC VIDEO
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11023208/
� Is a happy heart a healthy heart?
Jan. 26: "Today" show host Matt Lauer talks with Dr. Erminia Guarneri about how your emotions can affect your heart health.
Today show
Today show
Updated: 12:26 p.m. ET Jan. 26, 2006
As part of the �Heart Smarts� series, �Today� explores the link between your heart health and your emotions. The heart's more than a pump � it actually sends messages to the brain. Dr. Rollin McCraty of the Institute of HeartMath visited �Today� to discuss the science behind the theory.
An appreciative heart is good medicine
Psychologists once maintained that emotions were purely mental expressions generated by the brain alone. We now know that this is not true � emotions have as much to do with the heart and body as they do with the brain. Of the bodily organs, the heart plays a particularly important role in our emotional experience. The experience of an emotion results from the brain, heart and body acting in concert.
The Institute of HeartMath, a research center dedicated to the study of the heart and the physiology of emotions, has conducted numerous studies identifying the relationship between emotions and the heart. A number of their studies have provided new insight into understanding how the activity of the heart is indeed linked to our emotions and our health, vitality and well-being.
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cj750

Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Hate to break it to you tofu...but the jews are already here..my girl has worked translation for Rabies who are here to inspect kosher farms..and there are several chabad houses...they have even given away stuffed Torahs...like teddy bears..my dog has one that he sleeps with every night... |
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Hendahu
Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 69
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Tofu, we either have freedom for all religions, or freedoms for none. The greatest thing about China is that we all have freedom from religion. |
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Lobster

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 2040 Location: Somewhere under the Sea
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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CJ, CJ, CJ!
Was the rabbi rabid? Did your lady really translate for rabies? That and your dog sleeping with a stuffed Torah (Kabbalah?)! Oi vey! I almost split my sides. I can just see Rover in the sidecar, stuffed tome in foaming mouth, snarling at pedestrians as you cruise along!
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cj750

Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Lobster, most definently..everything I tell you is the Gods Honest...
there a lot of Jewish folks in China..and not just in the teaching disciplines...but also in import/export...and Jackson loves his stuffed "Torah"..we received from some of the customers...extras, they had....he took right too it as soon as my girl brought it home...but he is not allowed to take it "on the rad"..as the other dawgs might laugh at him..and after all..we have to keep up his image...
MY father was a good friend of a Rabi in Birmingham during the 60's..a Rabbi Grafman...so I attended a lot of services held in the temple.. when I saw the stuffed Torah..I knew exactly what it was...I may have been the only gentile boy in Birmingham to attend Church and temple...
There is also a food service that delivers kosher foods to the Jewish travelers...and provides food products which are kosher..but the one thing I think about is that some of the folks cooking this food has to be Chinese..and if the Jews can get a Chinese cook to follow a kosher prep procedure...then they can do anything in china..including building synagogues... |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:12 am Post subject: |
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http://www.sinogogue.org/
http://english.people.com.cn/english/200012/11/eng20001211_57497.html
http://www.ujc.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=83957
http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/EOP/First_Lady/html/generalspeeches/1998/19980701.html
http://www.china.org.cn/e-white/Freedom/index.htm
"The principle of independence and taking the initiative in their own hands in the management of churches is a historical choice made by the Chinese religious believers of their own accord as part of the Chinese people's struggle against colonialist and imperialist aggression and enslavement. Following the Opium War of 1840 China declined to a semi-feudal and semi-colonial country. During this process Western Protestantism and Catholicism were used by colonialism and imperialism as a tool for aggression against China, and a number of Western missionaries played an inglorious part in this.
-They participated in the opium trade and in plotting the Opium War unleashed by Britain against China. In the 19th century Robert Morrison, a British missionary, and Karl Friedrich August Gutz, a German missionary, both working for the East India Company, participated in dumping opium in China. Some missionaries strongly advocated resort to force by Western powers to make the Qing government open its coastal ports, saying that it was only war that could open China to Christianity, and directly participated in the British mititary activities to invade China.
-They participated in the war of 1900 launched by the allied forces of eight powers against China. A number of missionaries, serving as guides, interpreters and information officers, took part in the slaughter of Chinese civilians and the robbing of money and property. According to Mark Twain, the renowned American writer, some of the missionaries imposed on the poor Chinese peasants fines 13 times the amount they were supposed to pay, driving their wives and innocent children to lingering death from starvation, so that they were thus able to use the money gained through such murder to propagate the Gospel.
-They directly took part in plotting and drafting unequal treaties, such as the Sino-British Treaty of Nanking of 1842, the Sino-American Treaty of Wanghea of 1844, the Sino-American and Sino-French treaties of Tientsin of 1858 and the Sino-French Convention of Peking of 1860. According to these unequal treaties, Western Catholic and Pretestant missionaries could lease land for building their own places of worship in trade ports and enjoyed the protection of local officials; missionaries could also freely lease or buy land for construction and other purposes in the provinces; local Chinese officials must treat kindly and protect those missionaries who came to inland regions to preach their religions; Chinese officials must not impose prohibitions on Chinese who professed a religious faith; etc.
-They enjoyed extraterritoriality, and were not governed by China's laws. The Western powers gave their missionaries in China protection on the strength of the consular jurisdiction they enjoyed. Taking advantage of extraterritoriality some Western missionaries, backed by the aggressive imperialist forces, went to inland China to build churches and set up parishes. They forcibly occupied land, and bullied and oppressed Chinese officials and civilians. These missionaries even wilfully extended the extraterritoriality to Chinese converts and interfered in Chinese judicial authority.
-They strengthened the control of the Western powers over China on the pretext of "religious cases," i.e., conflicts and disputes between Chinese people and the Western missionaries who incurred popular indignation by doing evil deeds under the protection of the unequal treaties. In the period between 1840 and 1900, some 400 such cases occurred in China. On the pretext of these religious cases the Western powers imposed military and political pressure on the Chinese government. They put forward various unreasonable demands, compelled the Chinese government to pay indemnities, and arrested and executed innocent people. Moreover, they even launched aggressive wars on such a pretext. In a case in Tianjin in 1870 alone, the Western powers compelled the Qing government to execute 20 people and exile 25.
-They obstructed and opposed China's struggle against fascism and the Chinese people's revolution. After Japan invaded Northeast China the Vatican took a stand which was, in fact, supporting the Japanese aggression. It took the lead in recognizing the puppet Manchukuo regime set up by the Japanese and sent a representative there. After the victory in the War of Resistance Against Japan some Western missionaries stirred up hostility against the people's revolution among the converts and even organized armed forces to help the Kuomintang fight in the civil war.
-They adopted a hostile attitude toward New China and plotted sabotage. After the founding of New China in 1949 the Vatican issued papal encyclicals several times instigating hatred against the new people's political power among the converts.
While playing an inglorious role in modern Chinese history, Western Catholicism and Protestantism manipulated and controlled Chinese churches turning them into the appendages to Western religious orders and mission societies. Under these circumstances Chinese clergymen and the vast majority of their followers had no rights. In the 1940s among the 20 archbishops in China there were 17 foreigners and only three Chinese; in the 143 parishes there were some 110 foreign bishops but only about 20 Chinese bishops." |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| The Declaration of Independence has four references to the God of the Bible. |
"tofuman" knows that this is a highly disputed notion. The Declaration mentions "nature's god," which in the late 18th century was not at all identical to the "God of the Bible." In fact, Thomas Jefferson had contempt for the bible. |
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tofuman
Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 937
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: |
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nature's God
Creator
Supreme Judge of the world
divine Providence.
These four references are found in the Declaration of Independence. Anyone who is interested can read it and decide to who or what he is referring.
And while many apostates, infidels, wags, etc. hold the Bible in contempt, in the current cultural war, it would take more than a google or yahoo search to uncover Jefferson't actual beliefs.
Malsol, What is the source of the quote that you provide?
Hendahu, I don't believe that we should allow freedom for religions that want to use that freedom to take freedom from others.
That concession to "bigotry" has been recently manifested in denying "preachers" the right to foment violence against the societies in which they live. |
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Malsol
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou
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cj750

Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| In fact, Thomas Jefferson had contempt for the bible. |
Jefferson had contempt for the miracles or the superstitious side of the bible...in his bible that he edited..he left only one miracle ..that was about a child..and it could be that he had a soft spot for that one due to his own loss...
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I don't believe that we should allow freedom for religions that want to use that freedom to take freedom from others.
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then that would mean that your religion would take the freedom from other religion..making it one of those religions that take freedom from others..
I think it is important to distinguish between sects and religions...
I was always interested in the Divine Providence and the notion that traditional theism holds: God is the creator of heaven and earth, and that all that occurs in the universe takes place under Divine Providence � that is, under God's sovereign guidance and control. That would mean the creation of all the religions..and the actions they take..so by forbidding a religious expression.(such as wiping out the Muslims) .you would betray the idea of divine providence...and you know Tofu....God can be a bi tch with those who deny his providence.. |
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Hendahu
Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 69
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Tofu,
All religions want to restrict freedoms. Freedom of choice, Freedom of commons sense, Freedom to use a rational mindset. Christians are the worst at trying to restrict the actions of others. They want to control not only their actions, but anyone else they think is not following their narrowly defined dogma. Fundies are the worse in the world. There is no difference between fundamentalist christians and extremist muslims. Their goals are all the same, and their respect for the beliefs of others is non existant. So keep your delusions and lies about your specific beliefs to yourself. Do not ry to poison the minds of others with your ignorance and denial of the truth. The major fault of most religions is the arrogance of the most unenlightened followers. |
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Joe C.

Joined: 08 May 2003 Posts: 993 Location: Witness Protection Program
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Hendahu wrote: |
| All religions want to restrict freedoms. Freedom of choice, Freedom of commons sense, Freedom to use a rational mindset. Christians are the worst at trying to restrict the actions of others. They want to control not only their actions, but anyone else they think is not following their narrowly defined dogma. Fundies are the worse in the world. There is no difference between fundamentalist christians and extremist muslims. Their goals are all the same, and their respect for the beliefs of others is non existant. So keep your delusions and lies about your specific beliefs to yourself. Do not ry to poison the minds of others with your ignorance and denial of the truth. The major fault of most religions is the arrogance of the most unenlightened followers. |
I'd probably not say all religions only because I have no personal knowledge of all religions like I do of some of the major religions such as Christianity and Judaism, but otherwise I'd say, Hendahu, that you are right.
The best defense against those mental and emotional cripples who subscribe to <insert name of religion here> is a great dissection of theism entitled Atheism: The Case Against God by George H. Smith.
I totally agree with Smith that after reading his book, "If a person wishes to continue believing in a god, that is his prerogative, but he can no longer excuse his belief in the name of reason and moral necessity."
Religion is a scam -- the greatest fraud of all times. |
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Henry_Cowell

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| tofuman wrote: |
nature's God
Creator
Supreme Judge of the world
divine Providence |
Exactly. Nothing about the bible here, buddy. In the late-18th century, "nature's God" was something very different from the biblical guy. The one in the Declaration could just as easily be an African animal spirit.  |
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Steppenwolf
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 1769
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Hendahu wrote: |
Tofu,
All religions want to restrict freedoms. Freedom of choice, Freedom of commons sense, Freedom to use a rational mindset.
Christians are the worst at trying to restrict the actions of others. They want to control not only their actions, but anyone else they think is not following their narrowly defined dogma. Fundies are the worse in the world. |
Objection, Mylord! I am not convinced that "Christians" are the worst though I agree with you that we have some very bad apples even among us that are "Christians"...
But it's eminently and patently wrong to claim "Christians" - because that's a generic term encompassing a host of diverse denominations, and there are a few among them that I - and I am sure, you too - have to admire.
Remember, for instance, the school kids murder case in the U.S.A. involving Amish victims? (I forgot the relevant geographical names and the exact date but it was in the world news).
Well, the Amish sort of forgave the murderer; instead of seeking refuge in their own midst, members of that Amish community went to the burial of the non-Amish victims and showed thus their solidarity. |
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Hendahu
Joined: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 69
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Steppenwolf,
Point well taken. My best friend in this world is perhaps the finest Christian person I know. He come from a place of true compassion and tolerance of others. He does not beat others with his beliefs and he accepts the fact that I am an Atheist without feeling the need to "save" my soul. He accepts me as his friend, and chooses to minister with his lifestyle, not his words. What I should have said fundamentalist and extremist Christians....but then again fundamentalist and extremist anything are a general pain in the butt and are dangerous to us all....Think of extremist environmentalist who believe blowing up machines saves some trees... Fundamentalism robs a person of imagination and common sense. The fight so hard to save their arguement and fail to see the big picture. The Chinese have an excellent saying.." looking at the sky from the bottom of a well" That is fundamentalism. |
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