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Faustino

Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 601
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: D.ckinson: Bad or even worse? |
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Having witnessed recent events surrounding this character, I have to say that I'm appalled to think that many Turks might form an opinion about my nation based on the antics of this character. |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:00 am Post subject: |
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What on earth is this all about? Please clarify ! |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: D.ckinson: Bad or even worse? |
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Faustino wrote: |
Having witnessed recent events surrounding this character, I have to say that I'm appalled to think that many Turks might form an opinion about my nation based on the antics of this character. |
Well, only idiots take the behaviour of a small group of people and extrapolate from that that that is the behaviour of everyone from that nation. Turkish people may feel equally ashamed of their compatriots who stabbed Leeds fans a few years ago and may be appalled that others could base their opinions of Turkey on these individuals.
BTW I think I am justified in using three "that"s consecutively in a sentence as I did. I've never written that before and have never seen it. Could someone point out if I was wrong to do so. Miss Bennett? |
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runeman
Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 124
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I believe it's about me, and my collage work - http://yabanji.tripod.com/
May I first say that the Wikipedia entry about me was none of my contrivance. I believe it was compiled by Charles Thompson, founder of the Stuckist Movement.
As for my recent events and antics, Faustino is probably referring first to my mistaken arrest by police at a public demonstration in Kadikoy during the summer protesting the bombing of Lebanon by Israel, on suspicion of being a Zionist provocateur, mainly because I was wearing a skull-cap. When they realised their mistake I was released and the protest organizers invited me on stage and explained the mistake. This event was covered by several Turkish newspapers and tv stations.
Then in September I was arrested for protesting against the lack of freedom of speech in Turkey by displaying a collage picture depicting The Turkish Prime Minister as a dollar-eating dog on a leash made from the American flag. This was outside the courthouse in Kadikoy where a member of BAK (Peace and Justice Coalition) was facing trial for 'insulting the Prime Minister' by inadvertently displaying another collage of mine highlighting the close relationship between Bush and Erdogan. This 'antic' of mine was also featured in the international media as well as Turkish. Meanwhile I was held in prison and Turkish police custody in the appalling hell-hole for illegal immigrants in Zeytinburnu for 10 days, before being suddenly released and told to leave the country - http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/22/europe/EU_GEN_Britain_Turkey_Artist_Released.php
As for Faustino being 'appalled to think many Turks might form an opinion about his nation based on the antics of this character' - is he English with such an Italian sounding name? Whatever - I am, although nationality is not an important thing for me. I prefer to see myself as a citizen of the world before anything else, and I would never put myself forward as representative of my country.
That said, however, since becoming 'famous' through media coverage
this year of my antics, I have been approached countless times by ordinary Turkish people who have recognize me in the streets, shops, buses, all wishing to shake hands and congratulate me - not one word of condemnation or criticism for what I did.
Faustino may see me as bad, but my intentions are good. I want a world of peace, equality and justice for everyone, and since he has given me this opportunity to blow the trumpet, may I use it to promote this idea of global salvation -
2012 Global Strike for a Moneyless World
If you agree that the abolition of money would be a fine solution to most of Mankind's problems, and that we could create a much better system where EVERYTHING - from food and drink, clothing and housing, water, heating, education, health-care and entertainment - shall be FREE - why not join the World-Wide Strike on the opening day of the Olympic Games in 2012?
The Strike will begin the moment the Olympic flame is lit - the signal for all who support the abolition of money to cease work, demanding a new fair world of TRUE FREEDOM, where the only law is: "Do Good."
Tell your friends. Let's make it happen. 2012. The New World. When the torch lights the flame.
This essay may help to make up your mind -
http://utterpants.co.uk/notpants/madmoney.html |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Also, I would like to add that the use of the expression "equally ashamed" was wrong. No matter what one's problems with a person exercising free speech are, stabbing someone is in a completely different league (no pun intended). |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Then in September I was arrested for protesting against the lack of freedom of speech in Turkey |
I'm all for freedom of speech, but shouldn't this be left to to the Turks? |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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justme wrote: |
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Then in September I was arrested for protesting against the lack of freedom of speech in Turkey |
I'm all for freedom of speech, but shouldn't this be left to to the Turks? |
No. I don't think so. |
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Baba Alex

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 2411
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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justme wrote: |
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Then in September I was arrested for protesting against the lack of freedom of speech in Turkey |
I'm all for freedom of speech, but shouldn't this be left to to the Turks? |
That's hardly freedom of speech, is it?
If Turks can feel comfortable to protest about the actions of other nations, ie. the USA's involvement in Iraq, why should other's talk about Turkey's problems. |
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bigbadsuzie
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 265 Location: Turkish privatesector
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Runeman , this idea of yours about abolishing money and making everyone equal ,it does have a familar ring too it, I think the russians tried it and the MOD EDIT are still messing with it ,and the cubans too ,now these are three places that have very little or no money ,would you seriously consider living in any of these places ? |
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TeachEnglish
Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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If Turks can feel comfortable to protest about the actions of other nations, ie. the USA's involvement in Iraq, why should other's talk about Turkey's problems. |
Speaking of Turks protesting... Wasn't it an awesome sight to see all those Turks protesting the Pope's visit? Some news agencies reported that about 25,000 Turks were out for the demonstration last Sunday. İ have often wondered why İ have not seen that many people protesting anything of real importance to the betterment of this country and its people such as; the education system, high taxes, the cost of living, lack of employment options, lack of education options, and the unfair treatment of the female population in terms of their status in the eyes of other Turks. hmmm
İt is kinda ironic that the pompous pope repeated something silly about a religion being violent or something and those people immediately wanted to protest... and... .. kill him... go figure why some misunderstood words would want to make people be.... violent...
Well anyway..sorry to go off topic..
Hey Michael... stay out of trouble... hehe  |
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runeman
Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 124
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: |
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The Russian and Chinese attempts at Communism failed because the government was still controlled by 'leader dictators' who used their power to feather their own nests and those of their close comrades, suppressing and controlling the people like cattle. Cuba, about to lose its own genial dictator to death, is a not dissimilar case. And money was always there to lure and corrupt.
The moneyless world will be just that, and it must be global to work. In the new society people will not be put in a position of authority over others, to boss and control them. Instead there will be true collective democracy, where the system will be run efficiently by the people themselves for their best interests; for their comfort and happiness, and the health and safety of the planet. |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: |
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If Turks can feel comfortable to protest about the actions of other nations, ie. the USA's involvement in Iraq, why should other's talk about Turkey's problems.
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True, but this example is Turks in Turkey protesting another country's actions. I guess a foreigner in Turkey protesting lack of freedom of speech strikes me as faintly patronizing, like saying 'Well, our foreign form of democracy is superior to yours and you should do it like we do.' Our Western view of freedom of speech might strike some Turks as foreign ideas being imported into their country, which makes them somewhat less valid here. It seems to me it's best for them to handle this issue in their own way, on their own terms. Yes, they lack freesom of speech as compared to America or Britain, but I don't think they lack it altogether... |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Our Western view of freedom of speech |
unlike here on Dave's- my haggis thread was deleted yesterday and I am still in a strop.. It wasn't in the slightest bit offensive- especially to hagii(apparantly that's the plural of haggis) |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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What kind of a repressive sh*thole do we live in, where you can't talk about haggis freely? |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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