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Tomcat
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: Employment pros/cons of marriage to a Japanese national |
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This is my first posting. I am currently in a relationship with a Japanese woman( we are not in Japan ) and am considering a move to Japan, where she will continue with her job and I( hopefully ) will teach EFL. I am Canadian and have just finished 8 years of teaching in South Korea( which I have heard does not count for much in Japan ). I would like to hear from anyone who has first-hand experience with marriage to a Japanese national, as to whether it will have any influence on my visa standing ( positive or otherwise...What type of visa would I be able to get ? etc.) and employment prospects ( also pros/cons ) . Also, how would it influence my eligibility for health insurance/national pension Thanks in advance for any and all constructive replies.  |
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24601
Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 75
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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You can get a spouse visa.
While you didn't ask specifically about this, I think before anyone marries or plans to have children with a Japanese National, you should be aware of the following:
http://www.crnjapan.com/en/
You have no rights in Japan at all. I am not saying do not marry; I am saying do not go in blind. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Being married to a Japanese means you can get a spouse visa, or you can just stick to a regular old work visa. After a few years with a spouse visa, you can even apply for permanent resident status (in less time than you can as a single person).
Work options on a spouse visa are almost unlimited. They are based solely on what an employer feels you are qualified for. A work visa, on the other hand, limits you to the scope of the visa. (Engineer visa holders can only do engineering jobs, for example.)
The spouse visa may be looked upon more favorably than a work visa. Depends on the employer, who may figure you are here for a longer term than the work visa holders.
I don't think the visa influences what sort of health insurance or pension plan you opt for. That depends on you and the employer. |
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AndyH
Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 417
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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X2 what Glenski wrote. However, a spousal visa may take longer to obtain, especially if your potential wife/husband is not currently residing in Japan. Like Glenski mentioned, a work visa has limitations, but if you are in a hurry to be here and land a job, and think you can get a position with a company which can sponsor you, it MAY be your best short-term bet to opt for that.
I'm married to a Japanese woman, but am here on a work visa. If I had the intention to stay here permanently, i would not hesitate to apply for a spousal visa. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'm married to a Japanese woman, but am here on a work visa. If I had the intention to stay here permanently, i would not hesitate to apply for a spousal visa. |
Many people who get married to Japanese don't initially think they will be here for a long time, but things sometimes turn out that way. Why not apply for the spouse visa? If you eventually do stay here longer than planned, you will already be on the road to a permanent resident status, which doesn't require renewals. Also, should you get divorced or widowed, you will lose the spouse visa, but you cannot lose PR status. Plus, PR status is not required for bank loans, but it is certainly looked upon more favorably than just a work visa or a spouse visa.
My spouse visa took 3 weeks to get, and at that time, I was between jobs, and my wife worked only PT here. |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in Japan on a spouse visa.
It certainly makes working in Japan easier. I don't have to worry about companies sponsoring my visas, letters of release, or being restricted to English-related jobs. While I'm still an English teacher, just that peace of mind knowing that I could quit this gig at will and get a job working at the Japan Times (for example) is quite refreshing.
It took me about 3 weeks to get my spouse visa as well. The hardest part was simply filling out the paperwork. It was all in Japanese and I had to explain (in Japanese) how we met, how we communicate, what we do when we have communication problems, etc.
As for employment options, I think companies look more favorably upon you if you have a spouse visa because it means less work for them. They don't have to bother with sponsorship or immigration paperwork. You're already ready to go. And it also may suggest that you are more likely to stick around long term since you have an official connection to the country. |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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with pension I can collect after working in Japan for 25 years, but the law was changed so social security and the Japanese pension will be combined, as I am an American national.
For Canadians, I think you have to wait until you have worked for 25 years before you can collect any money.
Whether my wife is Japanese or not is not relevant.
When I applied for spouse visa, my wife wrote a letter explaining our relationship. So I didn`t have to do the explaining in Japanese. |
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AndyH
Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 417
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you, Glenski, that a spousal visa, and ultimately, a permanent resident visa, are worthwhile, and I've really got nothing to lose by applying for them. Also, i've been here since 2002, which is much longer than I had originally anticipated being in this country.
Last year, my wife and I left Japan for Guatemala, where we spent six months. While in Guatemala, we went to the Japanese embassy and inquired about a spousal visa for myself, to make our return to Japan less of a hassle. We were informed that my wife would first have to reestablish residency in Japan, then we could apply and wait approximately 7 months for the visa process to finalize. We came to the conclusion that it would be easier to just have my employer reapply for my work visa.
Now, I am less than four months away from returning permanently to the US. My wife's US spousal visa application is taking most of our time, and frankly speaking, as I work six days per week and have a three month old son, the Japanese spousal visa simply isn't a priority.
But, it still wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea to get one. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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a spousal visa, and ultimately, a permanent resident visa, are worthwhile, and I've really got nothing to lose by applying for them. |
Actually, there is one thing you would stand to lose if you get PR status. According to the law, PR holders are not allowed to apply for the pension bulk return that others can get. That is, if you have worked here at least 3 years, and decide to leave Japan for good, you can get back part of what you have been putting into the pension system -- up to 3 years' worth, I believe.
If you have PR status, thinking you are going to be here forever, then decide to call it quits, you can't even apply for such a refund. |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of permanent residence.
Anyone know what happens to your permanent residence when you leave Japan? Suppose you'd like to keep that status. It's my understanding that U.S. greencard holders have to return at least once per year or obtain advanced permission to stay away longer -- those who fail to comply get their greencard yanked upon reentry. Is it the same for Japan? |
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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shuize wrote: |
Speaking of permanent residence.
Anyone know what happens to your permanent residence when you leave Japan? Suppose you'd like to keep that status. It's my understanding that U.S. greencard holders have to return at least once per year or obtain advanced permission to stay away longer -- those who fail to comply get their greencard yanked upon reentry. Is it the same for Japan? |
I heard you must return at least once in 10 years to keep the status. I'm not sure if this is correct though. |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: |
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To answer my own question.
I found this information on Debito Arudou's site:
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If you have PR, you cannot lose it unless you leave the country and do not return within the time period on your Re-Entry Permit (see number 6 above). So get your Sainyuukoku Kyoka for as long as possible (around three years) if you're going overseas for a stretch. |
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