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william wallace



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Dear OP........ Reply with quote

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Malsol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is called "The White Monkey" routine.
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TravellingAround



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol wrote:
It is called "The White Monkey" routine.


It's why I left...I taught at a university yet the students wanted sings, jokes and DVDs. It was very easy as I have a good store of jokes built upbut after a while it does jut into your soul.

However I hate to see a teacher give up if they care. The OP obviously cared enough to come on here and ask for advice. That is why I would hope some help will be forthcoming if she replies as that is one the one part about being a good teacher that is essential. Giving a damn. It sorts out the teachers from those pretending to be ones.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It is called "The White Monkey" routine.

naww you're wrong Malsol - what WW describes is the performing monkey routine - takes a certain skill to be able to do this and get the cash paying customers coming back week after week. The performing monkey uses edutainment as its classroom motivator - but getting the ballance between the education and entertainment elements - seperates the clown from the teacher!!!

The white monkey - is the ornamental monkey - a white body who can be shunted around from classroom to classroom - usualy infront of smaller kids - the type of student who wouldn't be taken seriously on their reports home about the standards of their FT! Teaching companies who farm Ft's off to schools on a once or twice a month basis love this species - especially since they will accept so few bananas and live in the grottiest of cages. Almost any white body can get this type of job - I beleive these type of positions must also exist in Beijing!!!
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NathanRahl



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though I am loath to say this, a realistic possibility could be that you just are not a very good teacher. *Shrug*
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Bayden



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NathanRahl wrote:
Though I am loath to say this, a realistic possibility could be that you just are not a very good teacher. *Shrug*

If you're loathe to say it then why say it Rolling Eyes
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xiao_qing



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NathanRahl wrote:
Though I am loath to say this, a realistic possibility could be that you just are not a very good teacher. *Shrug*


thanks for your imput...was my original posting not self-deprecating enough for you? Rolling Eyes

As for everyone else- your comments have been insightful. I never claimed to be the best or most well-prepared teacher, but I know for a fact that I am not that bad, so that's why I was feeling frustrated. I do prepare (maybe not for hours and hours, but I prepare) ; I have a sense of responsibilty and I am very patient and kind to students. I know I was doing something right at my last teaching gig because several students contacted me to tell me they were sorry to see me go.

A few of the posters have mentioned the whole "teaching as performing art" idea (otherwise known as being a "foreign monkey"); seriously though, I think those teachers able to "perform" really do have a valuable skill; however, I don't think it's the only aspect to being a good teacher. I think it's a tool. After all, if a teacher is puttting on a clown act for an hour and a half, how is that benefiting the students' speaking skills?
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Long ai gu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#1-Get their attention when you start the class. I do this with humour and the fact that I'm loud, clear, understandable and visual when I speak. You have to give them something to look at also, not just listen to. Once you have their attention and they think you're not such a bad lao wai, weave into the lesson plan. I do think being loud is important and if they can't understand your English the heads will start hitting the desks. Speak slow enough to separate your words and write some of the more difficult words and phrases on the board, their reading skills are better then their listening skills. I want my students to understand EVERYTHING I say. If they don't, it's like reading a book where every page there's a couple of sentences or paragraphs missing. You wouldn't be reading the book very long, it would be hurled across the room in frustration. This is like the frustration that your students may be going through when they don't understand you.

I tell my students that I am 50% teacher, 50% entertainer. The entertainment helps keep their attention, if you don't have their attention you can't teach. I have taught at many schools from primary to university and I always get good reports from my students.

Do you remember when you went to school and there was the boring teacher and the cool teacher? The cool teacher was the entertainer. The boring teacher was the one you didn't pay attention to. We are dealing with the human attention span here which can be very short. You have to be able to read your class and know when you're losing them.

I do believe that the Chinese student has a little too much control over who gets fired etc., but remember they are the customer and you are the employee. As someone said in this thread, don't take teaching in China too seriously. When you do, things tend to backfire and that's when the big problems start. #1-Make yourself feel good and have fun. If you can't, I suggest you move on to something else that does.
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China.Pete



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Teacher, or Stereotype Reply with quote

"I don't think it's (entertainment) the only aspect to being a good teacher. I think it's a tool." - Xiao Qing

You seem to have a reasonably balanced attitude toward teaching. This reinforces my view that you are largely running up against the Chinese students' perception of what you should be, rather than what YOU know you should try to be. The "white monkey" routine that others have referred to here is just a parody of what the students who have never experienced proper English teaching (at least from a Western point of view) have come to expect from us. It is as much a stereotype as the "black-faced minstrel" acts of 19th-Century America. Few self-respecting FTs will be satisfied long-term by simply feeding it, even though there is clearly a market for it.
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Shan-Shan



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FT grinding mill is a very inconsistent contraption. My factory still employs a Canadian who just two nights ago talked at eight adult women about hockey and part time jobs for one hour. There was just the one nasally voice continuously seeping out from under the door, squealing on and on about "Canadian" culture and "Canadian" jobs.

The women did not utter a word for over an hour in their "oral" English class. I am amazed that this "teacher" remains employed when his students do nothing but get sore elbows from propping up their heads for hours on end listening to the rants of a nobody from Canada.

Yet still the guy is paid and given classes. There are also a couple of women with whom he's shared a shag. A niche definitely exists for fat, greasy sixty year old men looking for fun with ladies over thirty years their younger in China.

TESL is an absurdity.
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long ai gu wrote:

I do think being loud is important and if they can't understand your English the heads will start hitting the desks. Speak slow enough to separate your words

and write some of the more difficult words and phrases on the board, their reading skills are better then their listening skills.

I want my students to understand EVERYTHING I say. .


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In combination with one another, these points may work to some extent but never really carry you to any serious goal. Yes, speaking audibly and enunciating the words clearly are vitally important points; yet you could perform a lot better if your students cooperated FULLY.

And that means:
They would actually LISTEN to you, and not talk among themselves. In fact, their biggest enemy is their own inattention. They have an attention span fit for kindergarteners! You can easily test them - just ask someone randomly selected, "what did I say?" You will draw a blank stare or a shocked face! They will consult with each other but not talk to you.

ANd it is not really necessary to constantly speak slowly; why should you do that? So that the sluggish minds can continue their poor translation work? Why do they translate? That's the first reason that leads to miscommunications!

Let them talk to their peers and see the verbal anarchy they create! Not any two among them understand each other over a protracted period of talking! Now that's a valid point: if they cannot understand each other full well, maybe they ought to polish their ENglish before they start talking and asking others to lower their level?
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NathanRahl



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm, self deprication is a shield then against reality? Hmm, actually sometimes it is that indeed I suppose.

And sometimes, though it is not something you wish to say, hence being loath to, necessity sometimes dictates the reality of the choices we must make.

Thanking everyone else but not thanking me simply for pointing out an obvious posibility which you were clearly shielding yourself from, is not right at al, and shows clearly you were looking for more of an ego boost then a realistic answer which might in the long run prove more helpful.

If you don't want to hear the answer, first thing you should do is not ask the question.

Take care all.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

please try and understand the word performance in a positive light when its used together with the word education - after all we all have to perform - day in day out regardless of mood and humor - that is unless you are always consciously trying to teach to those in your local environment - the non-stop teacher.
No performance doesn't just have to be something to do with making yourself the focus of classroom attention - and what a help that can be - because then you would only have to be a monkey - no its about generating interest, curiosity - and most importantly the building of desire - desire to copy the teacher (as in using the teacher as a type of role-model figure) - desire to learn their language - English. This is the crux of developing student motivation for wanting to learn your lesson - edutainment - not a new fangled concept - but one originated � well before WW2 - by one of the founding fathers of progressive American education - John Dewey.
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Fiskadoro



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first two schools in China declined to re-new my contract, and I took it very personally. There was a lot of soul-searching and wondering if I should stay in China or even in teaching. However, I have now found a school that has very clear expectations of me, and it makes life a lot easier. They also pay a lot better than my previous two jobs. Cool

Although I have some problems with it, I think a lot of FTs in China will be able to relate to the article in this link:

http://www.llas.ac.uk/resources/goodpractice.aspx?resourceid=2576
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jwbhomer



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, it sounds as if you are conscientious and keen to improve. There's a lot of good advice from other posters which I won't repeat. Follow it and you'll be OK. As for the troll, just ignore him. He can't spell or write English properly and, by his own count, has already been through a couple of jobs in his four months in China. He's now trying his hand at modelling, if you can believe him, so he probably isn't terribly well qualified to advise on teaching methodology. Good luck to you, OP!
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