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Don't Fear the Remote Places (A Good Experience)
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vikdk



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good post Clark - I'm actualy looking forward to some positive posts from you - on FT's winning legal battles against Chinese employers who have welshed on their contractual deals Wink
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TingBuDong



Joined: 02 Jun 2006
Posts: 27
Location: Zhangye, Gansu, China

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kev7161,

I wasn't making any suggestion whatsoever that those in China making good money are not serious about teaching. I also made no suggestion that small-town China is for everyone, or that there is something wrong with teaching in a big city. If I work in another city, I would definitely consider going to a place like Shanghai to see what it's like, and obviously I would expect to make more money. My point was that money should not be the only factor considered when looking for a job in China, and that out-of-the-way places have their own advantages. If there was anything self-righteous about my post, it wasn't intended.

What I was suggesting with that comment is that there are teachers in China who aren't actually interested in China, don't respect Chinese people, and aren't that dedicated to their teaching. I don't think anyone would disagree with me there, and I'm sure you've met people like that. In just five minutes of browsing on this site you'll find plenty of comments like "don't talk to Chinese people, it's a waste of time". That's their own business, but I don't want teachers like that working at my school. And it has nothing to do with whether they work in Beijing or Gansu, or how much money they make; they could be found anywhere.
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dialogger



Joined: 14 Mar 2005
Posts: 419
Location: China

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post TBD.
I did a six week summer gig in a small town about mid way between Dalian and Shenyang (Liaoning Prov.) and that was the stand out experience of my two years in PRC.
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Malsol



Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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Location: Lanzhou

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised

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Henry_Cowell



Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Berkeley

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only is Dan's original post positive and encouraging, but his blog is fascinating and exceedingly well written. It should be recommended reading for anyone living in (or thinking about living in) China.

Bravo!
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kev7161



Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Posts: 5880
Location: Suzhou, China

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What I was suggesting with that comment is that there are teachers in China who aren't actually interested in China, don't respect Chinese people, and aren't that dedicated to their teaching.


But, see, I AM one of those teachers who isn't interested in China (I used to be, but then I lived here for over 3 years!) and I don't much respect a lot of your "typical" Chinese I see and meet on an average day. However, I'm quite dedicated to my teaching. I am never sick enough to miss a day, I'm always there early and stay later, I make sure I'm doing as many extra little things for my students as I can and I make sure the lessons I teach are as detailed as possible so they get as much out of it as they are able. So, I guess I'm a dichotomy? When in the classroom, you will find a teacher who really puts forth an effort, but outside the school, I more often than not prefer solitude away from the throngs of starers and spitters and laughers and smells and litter-strewned streets, etc. But, I can't imagine living in a one-mule town like you do, so I applaud the OP's strength.
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englishgibson



Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So do i Kev

Henry, you're turning more and more positive on those forums and stunning the hell out me...forgive me my outburst here, please

Cheers and beers to the OP and our great forums Very Happy
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Malsol



Joined: 06 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Kev - one mule town? I always thought it was one horse town, unless you are from Missouri. lol

The OP is rather lucky to live in a one mule town. My town is so poor they can't afford that first mule.


How poor is poor?
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Mister Al



Joined: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 840
Location: In there

PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TingBuDong- very nice post. It is all about the experience in the main. Life in the back of beyond seems to suit you, at least for the time being, so hope it continues though it must be a bit 'parky' up there these days-but you seem to have your home comforts. I've been here around 5 years and have a Chinese wife and a ban laowai little girl of 22 months, so I'm afraid the money does play a crucial part in where I work these days. No doubt you'll get itchy feet one day and explore the country a bit and maybe even hit the wild spots of Shanghai, Guangzhou etc. The big cities can be great so long as you have a few mates/colleagues to cheer you up when it all gets too much.
Good luck with the rest of your time in the Peoples Republic. BTW...would like to see your photos...can you make the Yahoo album public?
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