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[Steppenwolf]

Instead of nitpicking, some guys could do us all a big favour by detailing their misery and tragic experiences suffering under Chinese exploitation and willful contract breaches.

Really, what are we discussing now? Principled standpoints? I have made a beginning that could be used for numerical referenceing; how often have others been shafted in how many years?

I still maintain that the majority of my employers have treated me fairly albeit not handled with kids' gloves. I have also specified under what circumstances you are most likely to run into adversities. Now I would like those bickering souls to substantiate their anti-Chinese positions.

And once again, so long as I get paid I won't bad-mouth an employer who occasionally pays a few days late; I won't blame him if the landlord or the water company interrupt the water supply and I want make him responsible if power outages occur. Even if my contractual rights include 24 hour uninterrupted supply of these utilities, I won't call interruptions "breaches of contract". If others do I feel they are making pedantic and ill-adjusted fools of themselves.

[cj750]

In the years that you have been here ..you have had to go into arbitration twice...by your own posting..I would think that this show how often a contract is broken..of all the years working in the west..I have never asked for employee mediation...but in a relatively short time..you have had the occasion twice...this is a good indication of how often contracts are broken.(and do you still maintain that it is usually the misunderstanding of the FT as to these disputes..) did you have two misunderstanding with your employers...hardley a climate of employer care that you paint...I mean if one with so much perseverance as you claim to have..ends up in mediation ..on two occasions..then the climate of the working culture must not be very contract conscious...

[vikdk]

Gregor wrote -

[clark.w.griswald]

First off prof I am not a recruiter nor a school owner nor have I ever been. I have also never spoken to you on the phone and I know that for sure so you obviously either have me confused for someone else or are making this up.

[vikdk]

[Leon Purvis]

I think that it is in the best interests of all who read this forum that a distinction be made among the schools: public and for-profit.

The for-profit schools should be identified as Chinese-owned or foreign-owned.

Businesses operate differently from public institutions for specific reasons. Each presents its own problems and challenges.

[NathanRahl]

Actually Leon your showing smoe fair amount of ignorance here, and thinking of schools in western terms it seems.

Public schools in china in most cases charge extra for students to study with a foreign teacher. You may not have ever ben aware of it, but I have worked in public schools enough to know that this is indeed true. In some cases it is a large amount indeed. Private schools just charge more, public schools do still charge, just not as much. PLease, get your facts straight. Later.

[cj750]

[Leon Purvis]

Uh, NathanRahl,

You're telling me that my public college is charging my English major students MORE to be in my class which happens to be a required by the curriculum?

Gollllly dang. If that don't beat all, Sarge. I sure feel like one ignorant hick here.

[Steppenwolf]

Well, yes, many public schools offer EXTRACURRICULAR Englishclasses run by FTs, and parents enrol at quite substantial tuition fees.
What rationale might there be for a very tiny minorityof primary and middle schools tooffer English-medium classes run by FTs when the vast number of schools can't offer such classes?

Besides it really makes hardlyanysense for an FT torun a special Englishconversation class with students aged between 12 and 16.

[vikdk]

[Leon Purvis]

Charging for extracurrricular fees does not make a public institution a for-profit organization. That's a red herring.

Being paid in cash doesn't mean anything either. I've worked for a public university as well as a public college, and I was paid in cash by both.

I don't know why anyone would resist the idea of revealing whether the schools in question are public or private. My time spent reading posts like this tells me that most of the problems come from the private ones, and that some people have the same problems over and over again. There must be an incentive for people who get scrod over to go back to the same kinds of organizations.

[englishgibson]

And back to bickering on forums

[cj750]

[prof]

Clark/sojourner is just trying to make a buck and position himself as an "expert" on EFL in China.

There's lots of this type of person in China. Easy come, easy go.