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latefordinner
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Clark/sojourner is just trying to make a buck and position himself as an "expert" on EFL in China.
There's lots of this type of person in China. Easy come, easy go. |
<LFD tries his best to keep a straight face while refraining from pointing fingers>
Guess the same can be said for this forum. |
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clark.w.griswald
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I think that it is a shame that threads are allowed to keep getting derailed by all of this personal stuff, especially when none of it is true.
To me the fact that certain members of this forum are so willing to make accusations on this forum that they cannot support really calls into question the value of any information that they may give here. I know that none of their accusations are true, and the fact that they have never even attempted to prove these accusations pretty clearly shows that they can't.
Guys, if you have a problem with what I write on this forum then feel free to show why you believe me to be wrong. But each time you fall back on your old crutch of trying to raise concerns as to who I am you are really undermining your own credibility as you are showing that you can't argue the point!
If you are right that contracts are never upheld here in China then you should have no trouble showing this. |
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prof
Joined: 25 Jun 2004
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Location: Boston/China
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| The problem is that you provide so much misinformation here while trying to advertize your crappy and misleading website. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| The problem is that you provide so much misinformation |
So point out the misinformation and then correct it. That is what this forum is for and I won't have a problem admitting that I am wrong if I am indeed shown to be wrong. |
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prof
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I've pointed out your errors many times.
Spend the day reading my posts. Learn something.
You are completely ignorant about so many issues regarding teaching in China.
And the advice you give out, particularly on the legal system, is filled with errors and self-serving nonsense.
At one point I thought you must be a very bright guy who was giving poor advise along with your website link all the time to catch customers and make a buck.
But I've changed my mind. You aren't very bright. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| To me the fact that certain members of this forum are so willing to make accusations on this forum that they cannot support really calls into question the value of any information that they may give here. |
To me the fact that a certain member of this forum is so willing to give advice on the basis of their own so-called personal experience - but when asked to give more background details so as to provide more credibility to their words, he inveriably goes stum - calls into question the value of much of the information that he may give here, and certainly brings into question the real reason for his postings. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| I've pointed out your errors many times. |
If so then why not just link to some of these posts where you have pointed out what was wrong and corrected it. I don't recall you having ever done this but I welcome to show me.
This is a discussion forum and people will naturally have differing opinions. What I don't understand is why some people, and I will include you in this, choose to attempt to offer personal insults when they disagree with a point that someone makes, rather than to present their point of view in a mature manner.
In fact one of the rules of participation in this very forum is exactly this, and I am sure that I am not the only one who is tired of seeing thread after thread disappate into bickering.
I disagree with your posts often but I do not resort to name calling nor accusations as to what I think your motives may be in posting. This is because, while I don't respect you as a person I do respect your right to your point of view.
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| And the advice you give out, particularly on the legal system, is filled with errors and self-serving nonsense. |
I assume that your views here must relate to this thread so why not make a start by quoting some of the things that I have written in this thread (in context) and outlining why in your opinion my views are flawed. |
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furiousmilksheikali
Joined: 31 Jul 2006
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| All of you are wrong. You don't understand China! |
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Steppenwolf
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:54 am Post subject: |
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To me the fact that a certain member of this forum is so willing to give advice on the basis of their own so-called personal experience - but when asked to give more background details so as to provide more credibility to their words, he inveriably goes stum - calls into question the value of much of the information that he may give here, and certainly brings into question the real reason for his postings. |
To me, the fact that a noisy and petty-minded little minority of posters concentrate their attention on what other posters say, in order to slight them, attack them without even adding any relevant or useful information of their own shows this forum has been invaded by Aliens of a very cynical mindset with a personal rather than professional agenda.
If negative stereotyping is not based on personal experiences but grapevine stories circulated by FTs of one reputation or another but unknown to the general public and thus beyond vetting, then such stereotyping itself is, literally, unbelievable and at best of the most dubious origin.
The negative vibe mongers here should come clean or refrain from posting their blanket judgements. You only have credibility if you have first-hand insight. |
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NathanRahl
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Hmm, well clark, I find it amusing that you comment on people knit picking your threads and how sad it is, when I can recall you doing this enough to me for yuor words to be incredibly laughable.
As for steppenwolf, the only aliens I have seen here are trolls, which you might wish to ask yourself if you are one of or not. One only need look at most of your replies to my postings alone to see the massive amount of cynicism and knit picking, so it is quite laughable that you would point this out in regards to others.
The hypocrisy and sheer lack of self knowledge is thick enough to be cut with a knife here at times. Later all  |
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vikdk
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| All of you are wrong. You don't understand China! |
You've got a point there - lots of talk about these contract as if they were western ones - were as China is the land of "gaunxi" connections - where the cogs of business are oiled by the influence you have with those powers who control the relevant regulations (through, family, friends and always a little something slipped under a table). This huge factor in China makes the the question of following up on so-called contract problems something that varies from case to case - not so much in the nature of how the contract has been broken - but in how much power your employer has in the circles that control employment of FT's. Anybody with experience of living in China will know what I am talking about - for newbies, coming to terms with this social fenomena is part of the working in China education |
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vikdk
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| You only have credibility if you have first-hand insight. |
Thanks for backing me up steppenwolf - just the point I'm trying to make with Clark - you know through trying to get him to establish the origin of all that first hand experience he mentions but never fully details!! |
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Steppenwolf
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The hypocrisy and sheer lack of self knowledge is thick enough to be cut with a knife here at times. Later all |
Mr Rahl,
how is your Wuhan meet coming along? You know, that "Meet my fellow weird super nutter fruitcakes"? |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| "Meet my fellow weird super nutter fruitcakes"? |
TUT TUT - wash your mouth out with soap young man  |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm, well clark, I find it amusing that you comment on people knit picking your threads and how sad it is, when I can recall you doing this enough to me for yuor words to be incredibly laughable. |
You seem to have missed my point entirely Nathan.
I am all for discussion and have in fact invited this in this very thread. When others post something that I disagree with then I post a reply to what they post but I don't launch into an attack on them personally while ignoring the point of their post.
It seems to me that if you can look back on a post that you have just written but can't find anything in it that ties into the title of the thread, then you probably shouldn't have bothered posting in the first place.
So now, would you like to offer an opinion about this topic? |
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