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Baba Alex · Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 2411

Well, in general I agree with golightly, except that amending errors in spelling and grammar is normally called proofreading. Amend the actual structure style or content is editing.

Molly, you are shooting yourself in the foot comparing the dislike of ET to a dislike of McDonalds. The type of people who dislike McDonalds tend to do so because of their exploitation of workers, the fact that they encourage children to eat unhealthy, their bully-boy tactics in the global market, and the fact that their food tastes f.ucking disgusting. The Beatles, one of the few icons to rival McDonalds in terms of global recognition do not inspire the same hatred, possibly because they were quality and not a bunch of capitalist arses.

I feel I'm one of the few people here not to have had any experience of ET, which is why I seldom comment. I do, however, have a bit of experience in educational publishing and would be very interested in seeing these books. Would you give me a copy?

Do they really have Pete the Pervert and rapists and stuff?

dmb · Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397

Golightly · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:16 am Post subject:

proof-reading's what I meant. Sorry, was writing it late at night with screaming baby in background. However, it's an important part of the whole process.

Shaytess · Joined: 12 Oct 2006 Posts: 65 Location: Berlin

Yes, they really have examples using rapists, perverts, and children who murder. You can imagine the questions raised in class. "Teacher, what's a rapist?" Seriously. It may have been a joke from a disgruntled or just really weird head teacher, but surely it should have been edited out before the final books were printed.

misterkodak · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:43 am Post subject:

Baba Alex · Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 2411

misterkodak · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject:

How would you pre-teach the vocabulary for "rapist", "murderer", and "pervert"? Would you need to hand out a worksheet or are there exercises provided in the book? Could you make it a speaking activity? I thought at that "institution" teachers were discouraged from talking about religion,politics and things of a "personal nature".

justme · Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul

'Murderer' is okay, but even if I took the easy route and just translated 'pervert' and 'rapist' with my religious students, it would still upset the girls and send the boys into an uproar... If I took the hard way and tried to explain it in English, the ones who got it would probably be too embarrassed to translate it to the rest of the class.

Sheikh Inal Ovar · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School

tararu · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 494

I don't see why those words are so offensive. ET students are adults not children. I have never had any problems bringing those words up in class. Sapık or pervert is a common word in spoken Turkish, so why would people be so offended to hear it spoken in English.

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

Golightly · Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject:

Is the system, er, systematic, though? Rolling Eyes

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

Proofreading is one of the most systematic jobs there is in publishing. Read a book about it or take a course.

What ET has asked instructors to do is definitely not proofreading. It's merely finding and noting errors while using the book(s).