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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Where to next? Reply with quote

I have taught English in Mexico for a few years and now I am looking to experience another part of the world. I have an advanced degree and have taught all levels from children to middle and high schoolers to university students and adults.

I'd like to go somewhere where they'll pay for my flight and pay me well. What countries, and situations within those countries, are best for saving up $ for a year, considering salary, living costs, taxes, etc.? If possible, please compare Korea, Japan, Thailand, Russia and Ukraine.

Thanks a lot.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like one of those exercises where you have to spot the odd one out. Ukraine can't be considered in the same group as the asian countries you mentioned. You should check the Russia & etc. forum below for specific current info on job conditions in Ukraine.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rules out Russia and Ukraine, too.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 99 cases out of 100, you won't get airfare paid for by a Japanese employer.

For the remaining 1%, you'll be talking about entry level jobs in the JET Program (deadline for 2007 jobs has passed) or the like. With JET you would be an ALT, not something I think you might be interested in after a lot of experience teaching elsewhere. Another is Westgate Corporation, a dispatch agency that offers full visa sponsorship, but only a 3-month contract (non-consecutive renewals). WC pays your airfare as a reimbursement in the first two paychecks, so you have to cough up the initial payment.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strange, some post disappeared - Kent's, I think. In it, he 'ruled out' one of the Asian countries mentioned by the OP. I responded to say that neither Russia nor Ukraine would pay for airfare, and salaries are relatively low in both countries.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Yep, I did that.


After the story about the quake,

I felt like I was piling on bad news.

Thailand is out for two main reasons:


A. top salaries from $1,200 ~ $1,500

and ...

B. employers don't pay airfare


In fact, from the OP's list,

Korea is the only option.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

International schools tend ot offer the same salaries worldwide, so Thailand is obviously a bargain ( though the competition will be ferocious).

In general, the rule is the better the country the worse the salary, or the more the competition.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP hasn't told us which specific "advanced degree" she/he has. That might make a difference in some situations.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
International schools tend ot offer the same salaries worldwide
I wouldn't know, but even so, how is that measured? Exchange rates and costs of living will vary with every country.

Here in Japan, getting a job at one will mean a pretty good salary, but you have to have a teaching license from your home country, plus experience using it.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is the place.

The better university positions don't usually pay airfare - but don't pass up a superior job on that one criteria. Wages, benefits, extra time off, etc - will easily compensate you for that one issue.

With experience and almost any graduate degree - you should be checking university jobs. Typical is 3-5 months paid vacation, four day work week, 12-16 class hours per week.
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen Jones wrote:
International schools tend ot offer the same salaries worldwide, ...


Just what do you mean by "international school"? And then why is Thailand a bargain?

My advanced degree is medical. From what you guys are saying, there would be no comparison with a uni job, right? Also, how do you determine how "good" a country is? Isn't Japan a good country and they have top salaries?

OK, so what country would be best for a uni job? Is it Japan vs. Korea again? BTW, I am open to other countries not specified in my original list, e.g. where do Taiwan and China figure in all this?


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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kent F. Kruhoeffer wrote:
...These schools usually require teachers to teach a range of subjects.

I have experience teaching other subjects as well in middle school. However my degree is medical, they wouldn't accept that to qualify me in combination with experience?

Kent F. Kruhoeffer wrote:
...$2,500+ per month range plus benefits, and that would be a HUGE amount of $$$ in Thailand.

Korea pays almost as much per month (from what I gather), then figure in airfare and the month's bonus, plus furnished apartment and only 3% taxes, how much cheaper can Thailand be? Just about the only thing left to pay for is food, a relatively minor expense. Is there something I'm not getting here?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
Kent F. Kruhoeffer wrote:
...These schools usually require teachers to teach a range of subjects.

I have experience teaching other subjects as well in middle school. However my degree is medical, they wouldn't accept that to qualify me in combination with experience?

Kent F. Kruhoeffer wrote:
...$2,500+ per month range plus benefits, and that would be a HUGE amount of $$$ in Thailand.

Korea pays almost as much per month (from what I gather), then figure in airfare and the month's bonus, plus furnished apartment and only 3% taxes, how much cheaper can Thailand be? Just about the only thing left to pay for is food, a relatively minor expense. Is there something I'm not getting here?


The cost of living between Korea and Thailand is huge. Factor in the mild climate, exquisite food...
A REAL int'l school will want a teaching certificate, a PhD will not suffice, just like in an English speaking country. There are some schools that call themselves an int'l school, but when you see what they offer, you quickly realize it is int''l in name only.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi


Sorry about the post problems. I've been losing my connection &

we're experiencing www blackouts here due to the quake in Taiwan. Embarassed


Thailand is cheaper, but Korea will be easier when it comes to landing a job.

i.e., I don't think your qualifications will cut it for the international schools

unless you're sitting secretly on a teaching credential of some kind.


tedkarma's advice is good; consider applying to a university in Korea.


I saved between $800 ~ $1,000 per month when I was in Korea,

which is about equal to my monthly salary here in Thailand.


Many people teach in Korea, save $$$ and then travel to

more desirable locations (like Thailand) on holiday;

a good way to have your cake and eat it too.
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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is the best option when it comes to salary, free flight and other benefits.
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