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thrifty
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| Boo hoo. Try living outside the main cities and have stones thrown at you and your wife whilst being told where to go in no uncertain terms. Six-wow. |
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caliph
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Regarding the Minneapolis incident, it's no wonder they were denied access to the flight, after all they were chanting
"Allah Akbar". the last words that the passengers on the 9/11 flights heard, and the same last words that those beheaded in Iraq heard.
Maybe these "Imans" should have shown a little more cultural sensitivity.
BTW, how many of you went Chrismas caroling around the streets of
Saudi cities.
Every middle easterner I know has always had positive things to say about their stay in US, UK, and Australia, especially ones who stayed with families. |
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007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| caliph wrote: |
Regarding the Minneapolis incident, it's no wonder they were denied access to the flight, after all they were chanting
"Allah Akbar". the last words that the passengers on the 9/11 flights heard, and the same last words that those beheaded in Iraq heard.
Maybe these "Imans" should have shown a little more cultural sensitivity. |
To chant 'Allah Akbar' does not mean necessarily that they are going to commit a terrorist act.
'Allah Akbar', wich means 'God is Great', is the first word used in the prayer of Muslims, and without it, the Muslim prayer will be not complete or not accepted. Also, 'Allah Akbar' is used five times a day during the call for Muslim prayers in a Mosque. An, I think, it has nothing to do with cultural sensitivity, because the Muslims have the right to practice their religion, as for Christians and Jews.
We have to differentiate between the people of US and their government, especially the present one. The argument is with the government and its new laws against Muslims as general.
How do you explain that the singer formerly know as Cat Stevens (now his name is Yusuf Islam) was barred from the United States, and he was not chanting 'Allah Akbar', and the US authorities did not give an explanation why he was banned to enter US (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/21/terror/main644875.shtml). !!
Personally, I think there is some kind of Islamphobia with the present US government against Muslims.
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| BTW, how many of you went Chrismas caroling around the streets of Saudi cities. |
I am not here to defent Saudi Arabia, and also I think, there are problems as well in SA, and it is up to Saudis to defend and speak about their country.
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| Every middle easterner I know has always had positive things to say about their stay in US, UK, and Australia, especially ones who stayed with families. |
As I said before, the problem is not with the people of US, UK, or any other Western country. The problem is with their governments, and how they are using double standards against Muslims. |
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caliph
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I assure you, the people in Minneapolis do not know what Allah Akbar means.
What they do know is that it was the last words that the passengers on the 9/11 flights heard, and the same last words that those beheaded in Iraq heard.
Americans are pretty provincial and not well versed in the intricacies is Islam.
As far as Cat Stevens, maybe it's because his singing is not very good (LOL). |
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Bindair Dundat
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I think it may have been a mistake. It's what my students do all the time. |
When my students make that kind of mistake, I give them a zero. The more mistakes, the more zeroes. |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| How do you explain that the singer formerly know as Cat Stevens (now his name is Yusuf Islam) was barred from the United States, and he was not chanting 'Allah Akbar', and the US authorities did not give an explanation why he was banned to enter US |
Might have had something to do with his supporting the proposed murder or Salman Rushdie. |
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007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Bindair Dundat wrote: |
| When my students make that kind of mistake, I give them a zero. The more mistakes, the more zeroes. |
Zeroes make Heroes. |
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007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ...Might have had something to do with his supporting the proposed murder or Salman Rushdie. |
I think Yusuf Islam is on one of the US "watch lists" and was denied entry on unspecified "national security" grounds.
Also, I think, the other most probable reason for banning Yusuf Islam from US, is his involvement with a British charity which support the people of Palestine (through schools, hospitals, etc), and the US accused him of supporting Hamas, for which he has been banned from entering the state of Israel.!!!! |
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Stephen Jones
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| Quite possible. US national secirity is as Byzantine as it's generally ineffective. |
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veiledsentiments
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| ... rather graphically represents the level of competence shown by the executive leadership... the blind leading the blind... |
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007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| ... rather graphically represents the level of competence shown by the executive leadership... the blind leading the blind... |
"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." The Bible, Matthew 15:14 (King James Version). |
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thrifty
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| Yusuf Islam really enjoyed being denied entry to America. It made him feel really important. |
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Queen of Sheba
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| thrifty wrote: |
| Yusuf Islam really enjoyed being denied entry to America. It made him feel really important. |
Sounds like you know the guy. |
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Queen of Sheba
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| How do you explain that the singer formerly know as Cat Stevens (now his name is Yusuf Islam) was barred from the United States, and he was not chanting 'Allah Akbar', and the US authorities did not give an explanation why he was banned to enter US |
Might have had something to do with his supporting the proposed murder or Salman Rushdie. |
Allah Akbar is something very common for any Muslim to say. Some thing akin to Hallelujah is to a Christians, and I know people in Minnesota who know that. However, its sad to see Americans are continually ignorant about Islam, and the world as it turns outside their continent. They certainly need to catch up with the facts if they are going to deal with other nationalities and faiths in the country and in their comprehension zone.
Regarding Yusuf Islam, he supported this Rushie fatwa because he is a Shia Muslim and possesses Iranian nationality - this is rarely granted a man who marries an Iranian woman. Yusuf Islam may even be the only man to have this nationality on this "honorary" basis. I think he may or may not have agreed with that fatwa, but has to support the fatwas they issue. This particular fatwa has since been overturned by the way, hence Rushdie is still alive, although it nearly killed me to read that book. It was a nice game of cat and mouse for the media delivery of the book wasnt it? Ah, if only fatwas could be bought and sold. |
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007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Queen of Sheba wrote: |
| ...Regarding Yusuf Islam, he supported this Rushie fatwa because he is a Shia Muslim and possesses Iranian nationality - this is rarely granted a man who marries an Iranian woman. Yusuf Islam may even be the only man to have this nationality on this "honorary" basis. I think he may or may not have agreed with that fatwa, but has to support the fatwas they issue. This particular fatwa has since been overturned by the way, hence Rushdie is still alive, although it nearly killed me to read that book. It was a nice game of cat and mouse for the media delivery of the book wasnt it? |
I do not think the above story about Yusuf Islam that he is a Shia Muslim is true, in fact, the allegations was originated from an Italian article about Yusuf Islam. And this is the response from Yusuf Islam about the allegations of Iran connection:
"One American tabloid decided to print a whole story about me giving all my money away to mosques and begging with a bowl on the streets of Tehran!
The report originated from some spurious Italian article which claimed that I gave my wealth away and I was making daily pilgrimages between Qom and Tehran. We promptly sued them; this made them look a little closer at the facts. They finally did a bit of investigation and found out I�d never even visited Iran. They finally settled out of court (the money went to charity) and they rewrote another article putting the facts right and talking about my work in education and the schools I helped establish in London, where I�d been living comfortably with my family for years." (http://www.mountainoflight.com/)
"Half of the royalties from my box set released in 2001 went to September 11 charities and I performed Peace Train projected live at a solidarity concert at New York�s Radio City Hall." Yusuf islam.
Also, As far as I know his wife is not an Iranian, she is an Egyptian living in London.
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| ... Ah, if only fatwas could be bought and sold. |
Unfortunately, sometimes fatwas are politically bought and sold in some of the so-called Muslim countries to justify their agendas. |
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