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ghost · Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia

A competitive chess player in India was recently banned from competing in tournaments for 10 years for cheating during tournaments, using a cell phone to obtain information during matches.

Teachers in Turkey will have noticed that different forms of ``cheating`` are commonplace in Institutions in Turkey, and ghost learned of many professionals in Turkey (lawyers, doctors, engineers) who cheated to get their coveted diplomas. As cheating has been ingrained into the culture for so long in Turkey, they (the Turks) should take a look at what happened recently in India to a competitive chess player who was banned for 10 years....essentially ruining his professional chess career.

Not saying that Turkey is the only place where cheating takes place, but that cheating has not been dealt with as it should have been...yet....

check this out...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16384905/

ghost

Sheikh Inal Ovar · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School

Ghost ... with your aspirations to work in the Middle East you reallly have to let these kind of things go ...

'Lower your Standards, Lose your Integrity, and Exhalt Mediocrity' is a basic mantra for Gulf teachers ...

thrifty · Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 1665 Location: chip van

Things to remember about working in ME:

You can't have any pride to work there.

thrifty · Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 1665 Location: chip van

For the sake of newbies I must point out that when Entrailicus uses the term academic writing he is using it in the same way that Tesco refer to their 10 economy sausages for 99p as "farm fresh."

Golightly · Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:34 am Post subject:

Actually, Thrifty, I have to agree with Entrailicus; The Spooky One does make far too abrupt a shift.
And I do EAP and everything.

Sheikh Inal Ovar · Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 1208 Location: Melo Drama School

Reply posted for a student on an academic writing course who wanted to contribute to the debate on cheating -

TeachEnglish · Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239

Cheating.. some students cheat so blatantly and get really pissed when you catch them. I wonder if one is caught cheating if it shames the family enough to make the elders kill the student or if now they just encourage the idiot/loser to commit suicide? Twisted Evil

thrifty · Joined: 25 Apr 2006 Posts: 1665 Location: chip van

Of course not. Our cheater tells the whole family round the dinner table and they all laugh and clap the cheater on the back.

TeachEnglish · Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239

haha.. I believe you. I think it is part of this shameless society. Don't even bother to try, just cheat. I have never seen a bigger bunch of cheaters as I have since I have been teaching here and especially since I have been teaching young "adults". They are funny. The only reason i take the time to catch a few is because if I don't and word gets around that my exam, quiz, or whatever can be cheated in, then it is my head on the chopping block. Not the cheater's head. Otherwise, I would not care. Who has time to write a report about the incident. Hell, the teacher has to explain and answer more questions than the cheater. It is an interesting situation. Confused

dagi · Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425

But don't teachers here cheat, too? When it was explained to me how to prepare my students for an exam I was simply gobsmacked. You could call it "prepare the students" but cheating or making sure no one fails would be a better description.

TeachEnglish · Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 239

hmm.. sorry I was not talking about a dersane.. I think the dersanes are different all together.. it is best to pass them all if possible. Yes, it is cheating..and some teachers even help their students.. but i think in the end, the adults benefit even if they have weak skills. In a dersane i have had people moved along that i knew failed the test.. and their make up exam was just BS.. but I did not care after a few times.

dagi · Joined: 01 Jan 2004 Posts: 425

I wasn't talking about dersanes, either.

justme · Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul

FGT · Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey

I used to teach in language schools (NOT to be confused with Dershanes) and those that I taught in, punished cheating. Not so in some of the respected university/high school environments, I hear.

In a language school, I had a class of students from one of the better known banks. One of the weaker students happened to be the boss of some of the more able ones. He blatently cheated in an exam and this was observed and taken into consideration (after a warning was given) before his paper was marked. He never complained! Stand firm!!

In a local university, a written paper was deemed unacceptible by the native speaker teacher because of the prevalence of cheating/copying. When passed to a higher authority, the "cheaters" were rewarded with higher marks for their skill (albeit a very second hand one) and no action was taken.

Golightly · Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:04 am Post subject:

The most blatant example of cheating I was ever witness to was in the final exams for a Foundation Programme course; there were two people left writing - a girl who'd more or less passed thanks to her coursework, and a lazy, feckless Chinese git who'd only just scraped the required scores during the course, mostly, I suspect, due to his girlfriend having been in the same course the previous year. Anyhoo, these two candidates were sat side by side. The girl had mostly completed, and was just fastidiously checking through: The Git had done almost nothing, apart from write his name in large letters several times, along with a scrawled picture of a flower, and a couple of paragraphs. It was announced that there were 5 minutes remaining, when, while my back was half-turned, the Git SNATCHED THE GIRL'S PAPER AND BEGAN COPYING IT!!! Shocked

The amazing thing was that he thought he'd get away with it. The girl was understandably first shicked, then upset, then incredibly furious. The other invigilator and I had seen what had happened (well, duh!), and I bundled the t.wat out of the exam room and told him to wait, although in somewhat more colourful terms.
I made the tosser wait outside an interview room for three hours, while we debated what to do. Of course, we'd made our minds up in about 5 seconds, but I thought that might start to punish him. And the I sent him home and told him to come back at 8.30 the next day Twisted Evil

He turned up, and was told that he was up before the disciplinary committee, but anyway, he'd failed the course, and had kissed the better part of 4 and a half K goodbye, something we put in a letter to his parents. Then I tore all the assignments that he'd managed to complete in half.
The arrogant little fvcker just laughed and walked off.