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To Leave Or Not To Leave- That Is The Question
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missing



Joined: 14 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do I want?

Last night, a thought occurred to me: What if I spend my whole life figuring out what I don't want? What if life is just a long process of elimination?

What if I spend too much time thinking?

Clown, I long to be where you are. Did it take you two years to adjust to being back?
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medusa



Joined: 26 Nov 2005
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Location: France / India

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Missing and everyone else,

You've been given some good advice so far, so I don 't want to repeat the same good points, but to give you a "case study" if you like.

In '98 I was in a similar situation to you. I had just returned from a year out teaching English in India, and my only thought was to get away as soon as possible. However, I decided to continue my studies in England but jumped at the first opportunity to continue my studies abroad. Since '99 I have been living in france, and after finishing my studies I found work here (ESL among other jobs). I can't imagine going back to living in the UK, I love my native country but my life is and as far as I can tell, will always be elsewhere. Wherever you are, you'll start to get itchy feet at some point if it's in your nature. I'm leaving my ESL job here for a new opportunity in India, working for a French company (to return to france after completion). It's only a 9 month contract but I felt I needed that foreign experience despite the fact that I now call France home.

Since moving to France, I've never earned over 1000� per month and have struggled to pay bils etc, but I've had a quality of life that my friends back in the UK envy. It's a question of choice, quality of life versus wealth. Personally, my wealth IS my quality of life and not my bank balance.
At 28 years, I have to consider providing for a family in the near future too, but as an earlier post points out, you can climb the ladder. If you start out as the conversation assistant teacher on minimum wage, nothing stops you working your way up to a higher position in management within a teaching structure.

Society pressures us into thinking we need to get one of "those" jobs in our home country. Life's too short to worry about what society want's us to do. If your feet itch - scratch them!!!!
Victoria
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Jizzo T. Clown



Joined: 28 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

missing--

I came very close to heading back to Japan about a year ago, before my uni offered me a full-time position. I'd been offered a job by ALS and actually had to turn them down.

Recently I was considering going to Korea because I felt the urge to go abroad again. Then I asked myself: What will I gain by doing this? I guess it depends on what your ultimate goals are.

Even now, if for some reason my current job fell through, I'd just head off to Korea...in a way, going abroad is my fail-safe.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MikeySaid wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:
I personally would like to keep moving to different countries for my whole life.


I assume that at this point you don't have children. To move from country to country COULD be a disservice to children. And, unless you're doing really well financially, it may be hard to give them a stable educational environment.

That's one thing I've always worried about...

When you have kids... do you just cart them from country to country and give them the best home-based education possible? Do you send them to public schools in new countries? Do you fork over the money for International schools? Most parents would agree that it's important for their children to have the same (or better) opportunities as they had. I suppose that all that travel could be the manifestation of said opportunity.


WE don-t have kids yet, but plan to in the future. I don-t mean moving every years, but maybe every five years or so. I would like to go back to China and have them learn CHinese, and my husband is open to that.

I would send them to public schools so that they could learn the language and culture.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

medusa wrote:

Since moving to France, I've never earned over 1000� per month and have struggled to pay bils etc, but I've had a quality of life that my friends back in the UK envy. It's a question of choice, quality of life versus wealth. Personally, my wealth IS my quality of life and not my bank balance.
At 28 years, I have to consider providing for a family in the near future too, but as an earlier post points out, you can climb the ladder. If you start out as the conversation assistant teacher on minimum wage, nothing stops you working your way up to a higher position in management within a teaching structure.


My sister is an aspiring musician and her plans include marrying someone with a good job, however, she-s still a kid.

For the rest of us, just because you only earn 1000 a month, doesn-t mean that you can save. Friends in the States earn double that and can barely scrape together enough at the end of the month.

It all depends on your budgeting skills.
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Venti



Joined: 19 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

missing wrote:
Also, for some reason, I have a feeling of guilt that accompanies my feelings of wanting to leave the country again. Like I'm giving up, or running away from something. There might be something to be said about this, too.


This just shows that you have the capacity for rational thought and aren't a complete slave to your emotions. Savor this realization and take pride in acting rationally. Like you said, if you can't shake the feeling of wanting to leave after several months, you can leave later with the confidence of knowing you stuck it out while your emotions were screaming "go back to living abroad!" And if possibilities open up for you back home, but you still decide to go back abroad, you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you could create opportunities for yourself in the States even though you choose to live abroad. Wink
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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venti wrote:
You'll have the satisfaction of knowing you could create opportunities for yourself in the States even though you choose to live abroad. :wink:


In thinking about this a bit...

I understand (to an extent, I believe) what the grander concern here might be. I got a job here straight out of college, and admittedly I'm doing as well or better than most of the people I graduated with. I already know that I can make something happen here... but my worry is that when circumstances require me to come home long term (to take care of an ailing family member or raise kids, whatever it is...), I'll be an entry-level worker all over again.

I'm sure all that can be circumvented though by increasing your qualifications and responsibilities while abroad and by getting the appropriate certifications for teaching at home? One would hope.
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medusa



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: yep Reply with quote

I agree with Mikey said, while abroad you must use your experience to it's full potential. That means that in order to make youself more employable in your native country try to do the following:

- learn as much of the local language as possible
-join any business/ex pat associations in your area
-Use these contacts to learn about their business
-learn about the countries relations with your home country, special ties, historical links
-Find a list of all foreign companies (all domains) within the area and introduce youself

These will all be vital selling points for jobs in your home country and you could even find a job before you get home. So many multi-nationals search for staff who have language skills, knowledge of their suppliers/partners etc, their country and their culture.
You will open prospects to many import/export companies as well as all other branches who go international. The extra bonus with these type of jobs is that you work in your country but you often get to travel for business to your 'fetish' country!!
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