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anninhk



Joined: 08 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit when I was a good deal younger than I am now I couldn't believe anyone would want to work after 55 especially in teaching. Now as I approach 60 I realise that 60 is just a number and age is a very individual thing.
When I return to England most of my teaching friends have now retired and the ones that remain seem burdened under a mass of paperwork and disillusionment. This job, despite a lot of drawbacks, does have a lot of positives in that, in Primary schools anyway, there isn't a lot of marking and teachers are not under pressure from parents. Also there isn't usually the need to take work home.
Yes, it is physically tiring as you have to put on a show in each class you teach, especially the lower levels, but I still enjoy that and playing silly games on the mat in the English corner, but that's what keeps me young!
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hkteach



Joined: 29 May 2005
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Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I agree with what you say - there ARE positives to this job, like the lack of marking, report writing and parent contact and the copious paperwork that plagues teachers back wherever we come from.
The other positive (well for PNETs anyway) is the exam period - a week of revision and exam prep. (few or no lessons for the NET ) 3-5 days of exams (half days and no lessons for the NET .... and no correction either as my teachers won't let me help with correction when I offer - perhaps I wouldn't do it properly!!) and then a week of exam post-mortem ( early finish AND few/no lessons for the NET )
These exam periods usually occur either just before or just after Christmas so, counting the holiday break, that's 4-5 weeks of little or no teaching for many of us.
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Smoog



Joined: 11 Jan 2005
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Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with you re: exam week, it's rather telling that one of the positives PNETs frequently mention is having no lessons during that time.
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atatat



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just had 3 weeks of no-teaching-period and I felt a bit like a useless person while having no lessons to teach! Can I know what have you all been doing at work during the exam weeks?
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hkteach



Joined: 29 May 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For NETs who normally have a heavy-duty load, exam time presents an opportunity to get up to date with their paperwork or preparation and planning or perhaps to take time to catch their breath.
If it's just prior to Christmas, probably the latter (as we know, it's a LONG time from when we started the school year till that first break so a week or two of no teaching is welcome).

Some take the opportunity to do some professional development - with the half day PD sessions offered by EMB. Some re-organise their English room if they have one,make more teaching resources and/or put up displays on the boards around the school. There's always something that can be done. Some do less profitable things no doubt.

As for me, I've done a bit of most of the above + some forward planning and writing of lessonplans + working sneakily on writing an outline of a school-based English curriculum - three weeks is a long time to have no commitments but it's a great opportunity to do some of the 'big picture' things.
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11:59



Joined: 31 Aug 2006
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Location: Hong Kong: The 'Pearl of the Orient'

PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
To work in an international school I would have to go back to the US and get certified.

Not all International schools require their staff to be certified. Yew Chung International (Secondary Section) employs people who do not have a PGCE (or whatever qualification is required for them to teach in the local system in their home state). They have a number of IB Diploma teachers who do not possess a PGCE (or any other teaching qualification) and even their IB co-ordinator does not have one! Mind you, they also have teachers (including at least one deputy head of a department) without degrees!
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JZer



Joined: 16 Jan 2005
Posts: 3898
Location: Pittsburgh

PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not all International schools require their staff to be certified. Yew Chung International (Secondary Section) employs people who do not have a PGCE (or whatever qualification is required for them to teach in the local system in their home state). They have a number of IB Diploma teachers who do not possess a PGCE (or any other teaching qualification) and even their IB co-ordinator does not have one! Mind you, they also have teachers (including at least one deputy head of a department) without degrees!


Yeah, but what is the pay?
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11:59



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chap I know who works there with just a degree and TEFL certificate is on $26,000, plus housing allowance as he is on an overseas ex-pat contract.
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JZer



Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The chap I know who works there with just a degree and TEFL certificate is on $26,000, plus housing allowance as he is on an overseas ex-pat contract.


That isn't really any better than the working as a NET. Unless the housing allowance is higher.
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Horizontal Hero



Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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Location: The civilised little bit of China.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hkteach wrote:
Yes I agree with what you say - there ARE positives to this job, like the lack of marking, report writing and parent contact and the copious paperwork that plagues teachers back wherever we come from.
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Of course we must make the distinction between PNETS and SNETS here. The marking load for secondary NETS is often way, way above anything you'd get in a western country. And paperwork? You have got to be joking. I have never seen so much paper in all my life.


And then there are the endless meetings - four, five, six hour meetings in mind-numbing Cantonese with no seeeming purpose other than to enslave the teachers, and eat up their personal time. Try being in school at 7pm on a Friday night listening to your fifth hour of Cantonese, and see how happy you feel! At my school Friday evenings seem to be the preferred time for meetings. One even went till 9.00pm. Utterly ridiculous.
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lyndon98



Joined: 09 May 2006
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Location: Australia/Hong Kong

PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's certainly not the role of the Snet at our school.

Think you got a raw deal there HH.
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hkteach



Joined: 29 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, a raw deal that's for sure - like soooo many SNETs.

But the meetings in Canto apply to many PNETs too. These meetings are a complete waste of time as the NET can't understand what's going on and even if someone is translating, so much is irrelevant to the NET's role in the school anyway. It's just another way for principals to exert their power (even if it IS dressed up as a way of the NET being 'included')

Thank heaven I have an enlightened principal who doesn't expect me to go to staff meetings or anything else that's irrelevant to my work - as long as I put in an appearance at the Parent Evenings and other special events where parents are invited, she's happy.
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