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gaijinalways
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Tha's true, and one of the reasons I went and got a Master's, and still consider getting a PhD. But then I also remmeber what my friend said;
BS - bullshit
MS - more shit
PhD - piled high and deep
so maybe those degrees do have something   ?! |
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Otterman Ollie
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| How many people who do this work are well over qualified ? On top of that how many people do you meet with all the whistles and bells after their name usually ask you what to do ? |
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zorro (3)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| not many really. |
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Otterman Ollie
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| So you work with a bunch who are not overqualified or don't know how to ask for help without making themselves appear incompetant ,which one is it ? |
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supervisor133
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Otterman Ollie wrote: |
| How many people who do this work are well over qualified ? On top of that how many people do you meet with all the whistles and bells after their name usually ask you what to do ? |
Outside of co-workers that came to teaching later in their careers, I don't know of any that are "over-qualified" in the field of education but then I'm from the camp that feels you can always learn something more whether that's pursuing a Masters/PhD or just engaging in regular P.D.
As far as people more qualified than me asking my opinion on teaching? Happens regularly. I understand that in some environments people become elitist or feel that they have nothing to learn from others, but I guess I work in a pretty great environment where people value the ideas and experience of others. |
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Otterman Ollie
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| Well bully for you ,working with such greatness.I have to share space with a bunch of people who think they are something ther're not ,purely because of the papers they have in their possession.How they actually got them is open to discussion . |
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supervisor133
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Otterman Ollie wrote: |
| Well bully for you ,working with such greatness.I have to share space with a bunch of people who think they are something ther're not ,purely because of the papers they have in their possession.How they actually got them is open to discussion . |
I wasn't meaning to boast or anything like that, was more pointing out that I am lucky. Seems like when you asked the original question you only wanted a certain response, which is why I thought I'd share a pretty different kind of experience.
And ultimately, who cares whether they ask you for help or not? You do your job, do it to the best of your ability and let those that think they're something special rot in their own filth. |
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Otterman Ollie
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Supe, I'll just let them rot then ! |
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bigbadsuzie
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Location: Turkish privatesector
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Well guys and gals thanks for your answers . As a final word on this topic can I just restate that professional development in my opinion is a good thing . However , most of the "well developed " people I meet in this profession are usually full of talk and not much else ,in other words they talk a good lesson but if the feedback from their students is anything to go by its not up to much .Just wanted to share that with you .Btw, Stephen Jones, I will try to live a happy and contented existance despite the fact my use of commas and other trivia does not meet your standards . You sad anal t.w.at ! |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| You might live a contented existence but what about your students who have to suffer a fraud who can't spell and can't punctuate. |
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bigbadsuzie
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Maybe they think other things are more important than been a great speller and puncher. Don't ask me what that might be, better than been anal though .
The world is full of frauds ;I don't think I even show up on my students radar as far as that goes . |
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cangringo
Joined: 18 Jan 2007
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now, now on the punctuation - yikes that's some pretty harsh judgement
I have typed and will continue to type numerous posts with bad punctuation, mainly no capitals at the beginning of sentences and I would hate to think that was being judged so harshly.
This is a message board after all and sometimes people are typing fast well let's face it, sometimes it's easier to just be lazy when you can. It's not necessarily a reflection of teaching.
I have to agree with both sides of the issue though, yes it's great to better yourself and we are planning to do just that whenever possible but I have met a lot of blowhards with degrees that know squat and have no people skills whatsoever. |
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TravellingAround
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I seriously doubt that most of the qualified teachers that people meet are so nutty. They at least have experience of teaching at home and can go back and get a job if need be.
Further degrees mean little when it comes to teaching...teaching-related degrees mean a hell of a lot more.
Too many people think getting an MA makes them a teacher...it doesn't. Getting in front of a class makes you a teacher.
However (and sorry bad suze) but teacher = good, teacher + quals = better.
Do some further qualifications yourself! Make your way up the chain! |
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| This is a message board after all and sometimes people are typing fast well let's face it, sometimes it's easier to just be lazy when you can. |
It's easier for you as the writer to be lazy. You are, of course, making it more difficult for the reader, since the purpose of correct punctuation and spelling is to make the reader's task easier.
Or perhaps you could explain the magic quality of 'message boards' that enable readers to understand posts with bad spelling and punctuation that would be difficult to read elsewhere.
What you really mean when you say, "this is only a message board" is that your messages and the readers aren't really important enough to take much trouble over.
Note that we are not talking about the odd typo here, that can be justified by the fact that this is a message board where replies are not normally first written in draft. We are talking about persistent disregard for the most basic rules of punctuation.
Bigbadsuzie doesn't even know how to spell or punctuate. When she does bother she gets it wrong, leaving space before semi-colons and commas and not after (this is, I believe, the norm in Indian scripts, but not in Germanic or Latin languages).
English teachers are supposed to know how to spell and punctuate just as mathematics teachers are supposed to know how to multiply and divide. A Math teacher who does not know basic algebra would be considered a fraud. The same is true of an English teacher who does not know spelling or punctuation. |
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bigbadsuzie
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| So a better techer is one who knows who to spel and punchuate,regardless of their ability or experience ! |
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