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jennjenn



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Rejected by JET?! Reply with quote

I've been rejected by JET. How could this be?! I could have sworn I was a shoo-in. I have experience. I'm taking a Japanese language class. I wrote a killer statement of purpose. I got all of the documents in. How?? Why?? And I thought it wasn't even terribly difficult to be accepted...I heard one out of three applicants gets in. Am I that underqualified?

Is it because I have an Asian last name?

I applied for JET because I want to work in a public school during the days. I don't want to work at a language school at night. Is there any other way to get an ALT position in a public school? Help would be appreciated. Thank you. Sniffle, sniffle.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure how anyone here could tell you why you were turned down. Many do the first time around, so you are in good company. You can always apply again next year, your chances will be better the second time you apply.
You could try applying for Interac, they are a dispatch company that farms teachers out to schools. HOWEVER, their reputation is not very good, do a search on them BEFORE you apply.
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: Rejected by JET?! Reply with quote

jennjenn wrote:
I've been rejected by JET. How could this be?! I could have sworn I was a shoo-in. I have experience. I'm taking a Japanese language class. I wrote a killer statement of purpose. I got all of the documents in. How?? Why?? And I thought it wasn't even terribly difficult to be accepted...I heard one out of three applicants gets in. Am I that underqualified?


Depends on numbers they expect to take and the numbers they have apply, the quality, and what you did and didn't say in your application. If you want to have another opinion about your SOP then feel free to pm it too me if you like. Did you read your references before you sent them in? If you didn't & they said something that was anything other than glowing then you drop down the lists compared to everyone else. Etc., etc., etc, blahblahblah. (Yes, I understand you're just venting, not expecting real answers)


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Is it because I have an Asian last name?


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I applied for JET because I want to work in a public school during the days. I don't want to work at a language school at night. Is there any other way to get an ALT position in a public school? Help would be appreciated. Thank you. Sniffle, sniffle.


There are over a dozen companies supplying dispatch ALTs to schools in Japan. As mentioned in a post above, Interac is probably the best known, but their reputation is pretty variable.
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ripslyme



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Rejected by JET?! Reply with quote

jennjenn wrote:
Is it because I have an Asian last name?


Nope, I am of Asian descent and I did JET. Moreover, there are loads of JETs of various Asian ethnicities as well. At the end of the day, it really is just a numbers game.

As far as getting an ALT position, you could try the dispatch companies. But those are pretty shady outfits. A direct-hire position would be ideal, but they're somewhat rare. I found mine on ohayosensei.com
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Quibby84



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have heard that JET is not as big as it used to be, and it is not expanding like it used to...maybe that is why
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canuck



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Re: Rejected by JET?! Reply with quote

jennjenn wrote:
Is it because I have an Asian last name?


No. Don't think about pulling the "race" card. Many people get rejected by JET. You were just unlucky. Try again, or come to Japan by another route.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Don't give up! Reply with quote

Jennjenn,

No, no, no. Your name and race have nothing to do with it. JET applicants are diverse. I'm with other people who wrote in here. Did you have a look at the recommendation letters before they went into those envelopes? Did you tell them specifics in your letter and your interview about why you want to go to Japan? Run it past us again, in pm.

I, too, was rejected the first time out by JET, even though I had teaching experience. The consulates decisions are partly based on criteria, but then, it's a lottery, too.

Try again next year! Even if you are here in Japan, you can still apply. Go for a recruiter first, if you're really keen on Japan.
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Lyrajean



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it hurts, I got rejected last year, but do try again next year if you still qualify and haven't found another way to get to Japan (I got an interview this year, and I almost didn't bother applying!)

Put your nose to the grindstone and find ways to appear sincerely interested next time. Also the application is so complex, I think I did better completing it the second time. I ahve a sneaky suspiction my app. was rejected on one or more technicalities last time.

Since I applied last year I: got a TESL cert from a reputable college, studied another year of Japanese language at the same school and volunteered to help with a beginer level Japanese class among other things...

I am still in the USA, but I imagine that these things will help me get a TEFL job in Japan whether with JET or w/out.
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Alberta605



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rationalizing the choices made on the JET scheme is pretty futile. For example, if they still work the same way they did when I was on it then they have an 'A' list which goes out in July and then a reserve 'B' list which goes out a month later to take up any slack.

There are people on the first plane out that really shouldn't be there at all. There are many on the so-called 'B' list who clearly out-perform the earlier arrivals in terms of cultural adaptation, character and teaching skills. Go figure.

It's easy to be cynical about systems that don't make much sense.

Unfortunately, I did notice that many who arrived on the later flight didn't quite exhibit the same degree of social elitism as many of their earlier counterparts. It's a difficult area to get into and involves some sort of 'elitism' vs 'humanity' debate...but really I haven't a clue how JET works and what goes through their minds at the decision making level.
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Zzonkmiles



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Rejected by JET?! Reply with quote

jennjenn wrote:
I've been rejected by JET. How could this be?! I could have sworn I was a shoo-in. I have experience. I'm taking a Japanese language class. I wrote a killer statement of purpose. I got all of the documents in. How?? Why?? And I thought it wasn't even terribly difficult to be accepted...I heard one out of three applicants gets in. Am I that underqualified?


There's your answer, bud. I think JET prefers its teachers to be totally green. In other words, your experience and your Japanese ability probably worked against you. If you apply next year, I would play down your Japanese ability and try to come across as more unfamiliar with Japan and anything related to it.

You seem to come across like you are entitled to work for JET and that you are "too good" for some other job here, such as that in a standard conversation school. However, if Japan is that important to you, I recommend checking your pride at the door and applying to NOVA or AEON. Follow the same rules I listed earlier and don't try to show off your knowledge of Japan or Japanese during the interview. Yes, it seems counter-intuitive, but that oughtta give you an idea of what to expect when you actually get off the plane here.
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Squire22



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did an interview for the JET programme in 2005, thought I was perfect for the programme, about to get my degree in international relations, going to take a TESOL course, interest in the country etc. I was placed on the back-up short list. I remember the interview going okay and when they asked me at the end if I had anything to say/add, my response was "Yes, I want you to know that this is what I want to do, I want to teach English in Japan." I didn't get the chance with JET, but I am here in Japan with another company.

Therefore my advice is, don't worry about getting turned down by JET, lots of opportunities, plenty more companies and eikawas and private students and whatever else. If this is where you want to be and what you want to do - for the moment at any rate - then there are other ways to achieve this goal. Keep going, heed others advice.

Best of luck.
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kdynamic



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So much misinformation gets thrown around about JET. Sigh.
First of all, just because it's a large program does NOT mean it's not competitive. It is.

Quibby84 wrote:
I have heard that JET is not as big as it used to be, and it is not expanding like it used to...maybe that is why

JET still employs thousands of people and has no plans to downsize. What's going on is a double whammy of gappei (municipal mergers) cutting down on the number of COs that exist and the fact that many municipalities are in financial crisis right now and are cutting all costs, which obviously affects their budget for JETs.

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they have an 'A' list which goes out in July and then a reserve 'B' list which goes out a month later to take up any slack.
There are people on the first plane out that really shouldn't be there at all. There are many on the so-called 'B' list who clearly out-perform the earlier arrivals in terms of cultural adaptation, character and teaching skills. Go figure.
It's easy to be cynical about systems that don't make much sense.

What the heck are you talking about?!?! The A and B lists have NOTHING to do with first and second choice candidates. Every consulate is either group A or group B, and which group you end up going with (group B goes out a month later) simply depends on which consulate you interview with. The whole point is to stagger the newcomers because they couldn't fit them all in one hotel for orientation together at once. Sheesh, where do you come up with this stuff?! Just because you have no understanding of the system doesn't mean it doesn't "make much sense", it just means you weren't paying attention when it was explained to you.

Zzonkmiles wrote:
I think JET prefers its teachers to be totally green. In other words, your experience and your Japanese ability probably worked against you. If you apply next year, I would play down your Japanese ability and try to come across as more unfamiliar with Japan and anything related to it.

Quit talking out your ass. You are clueless. Having knowledge about Japan or Japanese will NOT count against you. A significant portion of ALTs start JET having studied the language, traveled to Japan, and the vast majority had an interest in the country before deciding to move here (obviously).

That said, there is no perfect formula that makes anyone a "shoo-in." You have to be well rounded in all the ways they are looking for. Make sure you didn't get dropped on a technicality and try and use the next year to make yourself a better candidate and try again if you're still interested.
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Dipso



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Rejected by JET?! Reply with quote

I am a former JET ALT. When I interviewed for JET I had already spent a year at a Tokyo eikaiwa. As I recall, many of the questions I was asked were about my previous experience in Japan.

Before I had my JET interview, a friend who was at that time a current ALT advised me that when I was interviewed I should (a) talk a lot about internationalisation, (b) be very up on current affairs and be prepared to explain complicated issues in simple terms and (c) not to be strongly opinionated. Good advice, in my experience.
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Chris21



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stand back, kdynamic is on her high horse again! kddynamic, you need to chill out with your posts and stop freaking out everytime you disagree with something. I was on JET for 3 years and found nothing wrong with the posts you bashed.

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Quibby84 wrote:
I have heard that JET is not as big as it used to be, and it is not expanding like it used to...maybe that is why

JET still employs thousands of people and has no plans to downsize. What's going on is a double whammy of gappei (municipal mergers) cutting down on the number of COs that exist and the fact that many municipalities are in financial crisis right now and are cutting all costs, which obviously affects their budget for JETs.


JET is smaller than it used to be. Check out the official numbers on CLAIR's website.

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they have an 'A' list which goes out in July and then a reserve 'B' list which goes out a month later to take up any slack.
There are people on the first plane out that really shouldn't be there at all. There are many on the so-called 'B' list who clearly out-perform the earlier arrivals in terms of cultural adaptation, character and teaching skills. Go figure.
It's easy to be cynical about systems that don't make much sense.

What the heck are you talking about?!?! The A and B lists have NOTHING to do with first and second choice candidates. Every consulate is either group A or group B, and which group you end up going with (group B goes out a month later) simply depends on which consulate you interview with. The whole point is to stagger the newcomers because they couldn't fit them all in one hotel for orientation together at once. Sheesh, where do you come up with this stuff?! Just because you have no understanding of the system doesn't mean it doesn't "make much sense", it just means you weren't paying attention when it was explained to you.


From what I remember, there was a secondary group of JETs that arrived a month later to fill any last-minute spots. In fact, one of the JETs in my town was in this group. Yes, there were two orientations (groups A and B) about a week apart for JETs from different consulates, but there was also a secondary group about a month later. The poster just mislabelled the secondary group, that's all. Relax.

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Zzonkmiles wrote:
I think JET prefers its teachers to be totally green. In other words, your experience and your Japanese ability probably worked against you. If you apply next year, I would play down your Japanese ability and try to come across as more unfamiliar with Japan and anything related to it.

Quit talking out your ass. You are clueless. Having knowledge about Japan or Japanese will NOT count against you. A significant portion of ALTs start JET having studied the language, traveled to Japan, and the vast majority had an interest in the country before deciding to move here (obviously).


I had heard the same thing. The original goals of the program were conceived by three competing government ministries, one of which was the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Their goal was to spread Japanese culture abroad via the JETs when they returned to their home countries. Candidates who are japan-o-philes may never leave Japan, and may not help spread Japanese culture. It's all heresay really... who knows what the selection committee is thinking when they decide. There are all kinds of JETs (those completely interested in Japan, completely disinterested, qualified, nuts... all kinds). Regardless, I had heard the same thing as the poster. At the very least, I don't think anyone politely providing an opinion deserves to be called clueless and talking out of their ass.

I stopped responding to your emails in other threads because it was like talking to a child. Give people the benefit of the doubt before you bash them. Like I said, I was a JET for three years and very active in the JET community and didn't find anything objectionable with the posts you criticized.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris21 wrote:
Stand back, kdynamic is on her high horse again! kddynamic, you need to chill out with your posts and stop freaking out everytime you disagree with something. I was on JET for 3 years and found nothing wrong with the posts you bashed.

Thinking it's stupid that people run their mouths off with information they get third hand ("I heard from this guy who heard from his friend that JET is being canceled!") is not a matter of being on a high horse. It's simple: if you don't know what you're talking about, don't spread your misinformation.

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JET is smaller than it used to be. Check out the official numbers on CLAIR's website.

I know the numbers. Read what I wrote again. The number of JETs is somewhat adjusting, but, like I said, it's due to gappei and municipal budget cuts (and also dispatch agencies moving in) and NOT any policy being implemented by CLAIR ot reduce the program.

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From what I remember, there was a secondary group of JETs that arrived a month later to fill any last-minute spots.

Are you talking about group C? Some group C people were filling spots that opened up at the last minute, and others end up in C because they had a conflict with the starting schedule for A and B (for example, they need the time to finish up their degree or something). However, this does not support what the other poster erroneously painted as some kind of "elitism" among the different groups.

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The original goals of the program were conceived by three competing government ministries, one of which was the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Their goal was to spread Japanese culture abroad via the JETs when they returned to their home countries. Candidates who are japan-o-philes may never leave Japan, and may not help spread Japanese culture. It's all heresay really... who knows what the selection committee is thinking when they decide. There are all kinds of JETs (those completely interested in Japan, completely disinterested, qualified, nuts... all kinds). Regardless, I had heard the same thing as the poster. At the very least, I don't think anyone politely providing an opinion deserves to be called clueless and talking out of their ass.

"Competing" ministries? What are you talking about? The three ministries work together to administer JET with CLAIR. They are still all involved, though you talk about them in the past tense.

You are guilty of the same thing: passing on hearsay as if you know what you're talking about. You say it's all hearsay, but that's only true for YOU. There are people who know what the selection committee was thinking because they have been on one like G Cthulhu. And other people who actually do stay in touch with what's going on at CLAIR and with the program instead of believing what they hear 3rd hand somewhere as you seem to do. If you're talking about opinions, sure, anyone can get up there are say whatever. But trying to pass off an opinion as fact just continues the spread of misinformation. The reality is that the JET selection process is trending toward hiring more experienced people, not less as you seem to randomly believe.

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I stopped responding to your emails in other threads because it was like talking to a child. Give people the benefit of the doubt before you bash them. Like I said, I was a JET for three years and very active in the JET community and didn't find anything objectionable with the posts you criticized.

Well if you don't want to respond to my posts, then why are you sitting there typing out these long responses? Anyway, it must have taken some effort to be an active JET for three years and still believe all these unfounded rumors....

Anyway, bashing people on the internet is not always bad. Sometimes a bashing is in order. Would you rather get false information told you in a nice way, or correct information told to you in a not so nice way? I'll take the later every time.
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